Comments Thread For: WBC Doctor on Canelo: Everything Points To Contamination

[bigdunny1]

They could be, but why would they lie about that?
What possible benefit would they have by lying?

He was in Mexico for the test, yes. But that doesn't mean he was in Mexico for anything else.
The 27th he was in LA

https://www.instagram.com/p/BfrkXE_hEjN/?taken-by=canelo

The car outside in the video of him is his:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BeO1N8ql_Ym/?taken-by=miguelleone

Where is the conspiracy?
There is more than ample evidence that Canelo was not primarily in Mexico around the time of the two tests.

LMAO he was in Mexico that's a fact. His own team and promoter said he wouldn't be coming to the US to start his training camp until March they announced that a month ago. He's also a huge celebrity and numerous reports of him being in Mexico at the time. And WADA came to Mexico where he was at to test him. Literally nobody but you is saying he couldn't of ate Mexican meat because he wasn't in mexico. If he was in Mexico the day of the tests and meat contamination shows up immediately in your system what is there to dispute?

[bigdunny1]

if wada is going to lie about the location of the tests why not lie about the results?? thats bad reasoning..

It makes zero sense. The man is a huge celebrity in Mexico and tons of reports of him being there and his US training camp wasn't set to begin for almost another month. Now conspiracy theories that Canelo was secretly in the United States all that time and WADA and everyone reporting him in Mexico is lying to cover it up. LMAO

[icha]

LMAO he was in Mexico that's a fact. His own team and promoter said he wouldn't be coming to the US to start his training camp until March they announced that a month ago. He's also a huge celebrity and numerous reports of him being in Mexico at the time. And WADA came to Mexico where he was at to test him. Literally nobody but you is saying he couldn't of ate Mexican meat because he wasn't in mexico. If he was in Mexico the day of the tests and meat contamination shows up immediately in your system what is there to dispute?

he thinks he was in mexico only for the day of the tests lol...
wada knew it so they decided to test him over there so that he could get a pass on testing positive, lol...

[Citizen Koba]

Clenbuterol has 36 hour half-life.

Clenbuterol doesn't stay in the body a long time, at all.

Canelo's trace levels are in line with someone also cycling, not just, "meat contamination". This is a BS excuse. I've posted a medical study that examines this several times. A Clenbuterol cycle usually has a slow buildup of dosage. Canelo wasn't on the lowerside of the dosage, he was around what seemed to be the
middle-upper end range. A max Clen cycle usually hits around a daily limit 140mg at it's peak. It also depends on the cycle, I'd imagine he would be doing a 2 day on, 2 day off cycline versus the traditional 2 weeks on 2 weeks off.

But it doesn't matter, money talks. LOL at anyone believing any of the alphabet companies.

What are your thought on the question of the apparently disproportional drop in Canelo's Clen concentrations between his first and second failed tests? If the figures are to be believed he dropped from 600 - 800pg to 60 - 80pg in 3 days... well, you do the math. Unless there's a really large difference between the rates of elimination in different individuals that doesn't add up. With a 36ish hour half life his concentrations should have dropped approximately fourfold in 72 hours, not tenfold.

[bigdunny1]

he thinks he was in mexico only for the day of the tests lol...
wada knew it so they decided to test him over there so that he could get a pass on testing positive, lol...

It's also random testing so how would he know oh I got to jump in a secret tunnel get back to Mexico without anyone seeing me to take my test. Then shoot back to the US undetected. SMH

[kafkod]

I agree that no one should be proclaiming innocence or guilt right now. However, I take issue with two things you just said that aren't so much evidence but presumptions. 1. Folks are presuming that Alvarez trainer is his nutritionist and that he controls EVERYTHING he eats. Further to that, there is a presumption that said trainer also knows for a fact whether any beef served to Alvarez has clen in it or not. Possible yes. Plausible, maybe. 2. It is presumption that Alvarez pulled out of VADA for the Smith fight due to a needed "drastic weight" cut.

That's why I said it's circumstancial evidence, open to interpretation.

Same thing applies the other way, but the WBC doctor is not being honest about that. Everything doesn't point to contamination, it points to the possibilty of contamination, which is something else entirely.

[Boksfan]

It makes sense. The amount was small and consistent with eating contaminated beef.

When you consider that Canelo has done VADA testing many times before and never come up dirty he deserves the benefit of the doubt on this one.

I seriously doubt he was trying to intentionally cheat. That's not his style.

Clenelo pays you nuthugger?

[stealthradon]

LMAO he was in Mexico that's a fact. His own team and promoter said he wouldn't be coming to the US to start his training camp until March they announced that a month ago. He's also a huge celebrity and numerous reports of him being in Mexico at the time. And WADA came to Mexico where he was at to test him. Literally nobody but you is saying he couldn't of ate Mexican meat because he wasn't in mexico. If he was in Mexico the day of the tests and meat contamination shows up immediately in your system what is there to dispute?

So all the videos are a lie?

[icha]

It's also random testing so how would he know oh I got to jump in a secret tunnel get back to Mexico without anyone seeing me to take my test. Then shoot back to the US undetected. SMH

im not really sure if it was random testing, sulaiman said it was a voluntary test requested by canelo before entering camp, and this was also reported on several tv stations in mexcio like televisa , tv azteca and espn, thats a common practice on Olympic and pro national soccer teams before they begin training prior to international tournaments... but still even if canelo asked for the test him self is hard to believe he wanted to get tested if he was doing something wrong...

[Citizen Koba]

That's why I said it's circumstancial evidence, open to interpretation.

Same thing applies the other way, but the WBC doctor is not being honest about that. Everything doesn't point to contamination, it points to the possibilty of contamination, which is something else entirely.

This ^. Also, it's quite clear that the WBC in particular, and most press stories to a lesser degree are pushing the contaminated meat hypothesis (or the likelihood of it) very strongly. However, dodgy and slightly seedy as this may be, it doesn't actually tell us anything about Canelo's guilt or innocence one way or another. Just because the WBC (and their doctor) are proclaiming Canelo's innocence without any real evidence it does not follow that Canelo is necessarily guilty.