Stop comparing cyclist failed tests to Canelo

[RetroSpeed05]

They were exposed and still do it. According to every drug testing agency and drug expert Mexico still had a problem with their meat. But hey why listen to experts that state Mexico has a problem. lol Meanwhile nobody has stated Spain has a problem which is why nobody bought the cyclist story and why Mexico meat is on a list for vada, usada ect for high amounts of contaminated meat and Spain isnt. Its also why NFL played games in Mexico this season and told the teams to avoid eating any meat and this was in 2017.

So its that wide spread and he still ate tainted meat somehow? how much red meat is in a boxers diet to get 0.6-0.8? So if the meat gives you that in tests or even higher in some soccer players then anyone could go to Mexico and micro dose and say it was the meat. interesting why not every Mexican boxer is getting caught.

[stealthradon]

Victor conte does. Maybe 2017 studies aren't out. Who knows go ask him he put that out this week. With a dozen other tweets saying meat is a problem in mexico. VADA, USADA, Conte and every expert says the meat is a problem today. But sure they are all wrong. Including NFL who told players not to eat the meets. Meanwhile still waiting for you to point to anyone saying Spain meat is contaminated. I pointed out numerous ones saying Mexico meat is.

The ones I have, like yours are out of date.

[bigdunny1]

The ones I have, like yours are out of date.

Conte posted a study in 2016 you posted an article over a decade old talking about Spain back in 1990 as evidence for the cyclist who failed drug test a couple years ago. How about a study from this century there buddy. Fact the drug agencies didn't buy his story, Spain came out with studies dis*****g any issues in the countries meat and Spain meat is not flagged up as contaminated by VADA, USADA any testing agency and not mentioned by any experts. While Mexico is. Which is why he was penalized and others like canelo werent. Including NFL players and athletes from other sports. Because the meat issue in Mexico is real and treated as such by the agencies administrating the tests long before canelo. And canelo had traces that are considered low and in the reamer with their own studies for someone who ate contaminated meat.

"we maintain that disciplinary proceedings against athletes with low level urinary concentrations, from countries known for significant risk of exposure, would have little to no prospect of success; and, would be very unfair to the athletes concerned.”

https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/ne...rd-documentary

Also from the link.

"All of the values were below 1ng/ml and therefore in the range of potential meat contamination cases."


http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/i...golovkin-fight

Canelo's results were between 0.6-0.8. Directly posted on ESPN article the letter from VADA stating the levels canelo had in his system clearly lower.

[HarvardBlue]

yes, and it was also his opinion that Ortiz came up positive cuz of blood pressure meds...but he was instantly labeled a drug cheat on here.

one of 2 things...either canelo ignored the possibility of contaminated meat knowing he'd get a pass, or he cheated and used this as a means to cover it up. just knowing that contaminated meat is an issue there, and being enrolled in drug testing for an upcoming ppv fight pretty well precludes him from pleading ignorance.

Ortiz came up positive for a banned substance. It also happen to treat blood pressure. It's not an opinion that he came up positive for a "banned substance."

Canelo had a positive test for Clenbuterol - fact. It's "likely" from a contaminated meat source - opinion. Canelo should be able to prove what he ate and where it came from. Especially since he has meals prepared for him.

[Real King Kong]

Ortiz came up positive for a banned substance. It also happen to treat blood pressure. It's not an opinion that he came up positive for a "banned substance."

Canelo had a positive test for Clenbuterol - fact. It's "likely" from a contaminated meat source - opinion. Canelo should be able to prove what he ate and where it came from. Especially since he has meals prepared for him.

I meant conte said it was his opinion that Ortiz came up positive as a result of the medication he was on. it would have been far easier to prove that then prove what caused canelo to test positive. either way, it was negligent in both cases, even if both excuses are legit...but it caused Ortiz to have to pull out of the fight, where I doubt the same will happen with canelo.

[bigdunny1]

I meant conte said it was his opinion that Ortiz came up positive as a result of the medication he was on. it would have been far easier to prove that then prove what caused canelo to test positive. either way, it was negligent in both cases, even if both excuses are legit...but it caused Ortiz to have to pull out of the fight, where I doubt the same will happen with canelo.

No chance the fight called off. Already precedent from other fighters who had exact same issue with Mexican meat and the fights went on. Erik morales vs Danny Garcia and Francisco Vargas vs Orlando salido. If those fights weren't canceled this one won't be either. There is also precedent is soccer and the NFL of athletes eating Mexican meat and trigger postive but not being punished. Even in the UFC. Canelo having such a small amount consistent with research studies of contaminated meat and that he lives and trains in mexico, hell VADA already said the trace level is consistent with contaminated meat, and the alpha bet orgs all day he's innocent.

But last most important GGG and his own promoter are not calling for the fight to be canceled.

[HarvardBlue]

I meant conte said it was his opinion that Ortiz came up positive as a result of the medication he was on. it would have been far easier to prove that then prove what caused canelo to test positive. either way, it was negligent in both cases, even if both excuses are legit...but it caused Ortiz to have to pull out of the fight, where I doubt the same will happen with canelo.

Oh my bad. Yeah, I'm not sure what Conte's agenda is... Sometimes he seems to suggest thatt PEDs are rampant in sports then he's quick to defend an athlete that fails a drug test, especially a popular one.

[stealthradon]

Conte posted a study in 2016 you posted an article over a decade old talking about Spain back in 1990 as evidence for the cyclist who failed drug test a couple years ago. How about a study from this century there buddy. Fact the drug agencies didn't buy his story, Spain came out with studies dis*****g any issues in the countries meat and Spain meat is not flagged up as contaminated by VADA, USADA any testing agency and not mentioned by any experts. While Mexico is. Which is why he was penalized and others like canelo werent. Including NFL players and athletes from other sports. Because the meat issue in Mexico is real and treated as such by the agencies administrating the tests long before canelo. And canelo had traces that are considered low and in the reamer with their own studies for someone who ate contaminated meat.

"we maintain that disciplinary proceedings against athletes with low level urinary concentrations, from countries known for significant risk of exposure, would have little to no prospect of success; and, would be very unfair to the athletes concerned.”

https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/ne...rd-documentary

Also from the link.

"All of the values were below 1ng/ml and therefore in the range of potential meat contamination cases."


http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/i...golovkin-fight

Canelo's results were between 0.6-0.8. Directly posted on ESPN article the letter from VADA stating the levels canelo had in his system clearly lower.

I posted one from 1990, yes, but you are willingly ignoring the ones from 2011, 2014, and 2015.

It's curious how willy-nilly anti-ped organisations accept it, as they didn't buy it with Erik Morales.

http://www.boxnews.com.ua/en/news/12249/2012-10-19/Erik-Morales-Reportedly-Tests-Positive-For-Clenbuterol

http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/i...s-failed-tests

So the "It's only Mexico" story, might not be valid, except if you are rednelo.

[satiev1]

Why are folks comparing cyclist who suspended for failed tests to canelo. lol Its not about the clenbuterol level the issue is those cyclists didn't have a valid excuse for why the substance entered their bodies in the first place canelo and Mexico athletes do. The meat source in Mexico is the factor here. A cyclist testing with small traces but live in the Europe and countries that don't have this in their food. Meanwhile canelo lives in the part of the world that does is why he and other boxers and even NFL player were not penalized. WADA also has case studies of the trace amounts that would exist from eating tainted meat and canelo matches those limits.

"As Daniel Eichner, director of [the Sports Medicine Research and Testing Laboratory], the WADA-accredited lab that conducted the tests stated in his letter [Monday], 'These values are all within the range of what is expected from meat contamination.'

So ****** to say we'll the cyclist got suspended. No shyt they they don't have a valid excuse for how it got in their system and we're clearly cheating because they don't have tainted meat in europe where they eat and and train. You need to compare canelo levels to folks who ate Mexican tained meat and according to all these experts these are the levels in range for those who did. It's a apples to orange comparison folks are making.

You're right. Canelo's levels were higher than the cyclist.

[PensionKiller]

If I know that the meat in my country has caused multiple drug tests on athletes to fail, then surely I would use some common sense and avoid it...