Banning drug cheat Neloterol will become a very good example for the sport of boxing

[TonyGe]

whatevs....

a roider does no one harm, ever (unless you write it that way in your sci fi novel)

and before you start your roid rage rant....if its NOT ABUSED, its all good. theres absolutely no reason to drink and drive. unless you want to match fatalities and/or property damage !

my point is, besides those 3 topics witch hunters are sure to avoid , roids shouldnt be banned. theres no reason for it.

yeah. its best you get off at this stop

Steroids are banned. It's not going to change and you don't know or care what your talking about. So suck it up buttercup and stop whining.

[Elroy The Great]

Steroids are banned. It's not going to change and you don't know or care what your talking about. So suck it up buttercup and stop whining.

i know you had your tongue sticking out as you typed that gibberish

[Elroy The Great]

3 things you can be sure witch hunters will avoid....

evander holyfield
''boxers who suffered injuries/died in the ring'' links
''names of boxers who failed drug tests'' links

the duck goes on

[Elroy The Great]

what is it roids/p'e'ds/clen are supposed to do that a person cant do naturally ?

[nacho daddy]

Hope this temporary suspension is the beginning of the ban.

clenelo aint Russian. if he was he be banned for at least a year

[TonyGe]

i know you had your tongue sticking out as you typed that gibberish

I'll explain it to terms you can even understand. Shut up..

[Elroy The Great]

I'll explain it to terms you can even understand. Shut up..

or what

[TonyGe]

or what

Look your idea that Peds should be allowed is not realistic. They are banned for good reasons. They give onr person an advantage over the other in a competition. They can and do cause long term damage to a person's health. Fighters that don't want to do Peds will be forced to go along. Say there are two contractors that are bidding on a job. One follows the safety rules doesn't take short cuts, the other doesn't give a damn about health and safety and if a guy gets hurt he just replaces him. That contractor can come in at a lower price. The other guy complains to the regulators and their solution is to get rid of all health and safety rules to make a level playing field. That's what your suggesting. These fighters are in an dangerous occupation. Your suggestion is going to make it more dangerous.

[Citizen Koba]

thats not the question we should be asking, doe.

why do people ''do'' anything ?

lets say they use them because they THINK it will work.

and ?!?!

ill say it again, if their ''success'' rate is less than 50 %, why the fuss

ill ask this again as well

roid muscles vs real muscles...whats the diff ????

Damn, man. I just can't stay away... What's the argument here - are you saying that the physical benefits gained by PEDs (not just steroids) that have been measured in other human beings and athletes do not effect boxers for some reason?

Or are you claiming that those measured benefits could not/do not effect the outcomes of fights - amongst which is the tragic but ultimately all too real possibility of serious long term damage or death?

To imagine that the only risk comes from hitting or being hit harder (not that muscle mass is the primary factor involved in power anyway) is to miss much of the point - it's well established, for instance, that fatigue can slow reaction times and mental acuity, which are critical in boxing for blocking and slipping punches... if there is a drug (and there are many) which were to provide an edge to stamina or enable to one to train longer and harder, it is reasonable to assume that it could make it more dangerous for the opponent who would be relatively more fatigued. Does that make sense?

In a sport as complex as boxing where the metrics of loss and victory are not as simple as shaving a few seconds off your time, it is of course very difficult to quantify exactly how much difference use of a particular drug might make, but it is also utterly reasonable to extrapolate from other sports and say that some advantage is gained... and in boxing, where wins and losses, KOs and KDs are gained due to fractional advantages at the margins (and milliseconds of differences in reaction time) that can only mean increased risk.

[Elroy The Great]

Damn, man. I just can't stay away... What's the argument here - are you saying that the physical benefits gained by PEDs (not just steroids) that have been measured in other human beings and athletes do not effect boxers for some reason?

Or are you claiming that those measured benefits could not/do not effect the outcomes of fights - amongst which is the tragic but ultimately all too real possibility of serious long term damage or death?

To imagine that the only risk comes from hitting or being hit harder (not that muscle mass is the primary factor involved in power anyway) is to miss much of the point - it's well established, for instance, that fatigue can slow reaction times and mental acuity, which are critical in boxing for blocking and slipping punches... if there is a drug (and there are many) which were to provide an edge to stamina or enable to one to train longer and harder, it is reasonable to assume that it could make it more dangerous for the opponent who would be relatively more fatigued. Does that make sense.

In a sport as complex as boxing where the metrics of loss and victory are not as simple as shaving a few seconds off your time, it is of course very difficult to quantify exactly how much difference use of a particular drug might make, but it is also utterly reasonable to extrapolate from other sports and say that some advantage is gained... and in boxing, where wins and losses, KOs and KDs are gained due to fractional advantages at the margins that can only mean increased risk.

do yourself a favor, go look at some roid fights and ask yourself......
''is this what im crying over ?''

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/boxing-boxers-dying-or-left-seriously-injured-after-fights-1575159.html

them roids be dangerous