Comments Thread For: Luis Ortiz: You Must Give Wilder Credit, He Weathered The Storm

[Chrismart]

He deserves credit. He was being outboxed and out thought but was still hurting his opponent. He was all over the place in the 7th and looked like he was going to be taken out of there, yet came back to stop his opponent. He get's props.

[P4Pdunny]

Wilder and AJ are both quite lucky, in the 7th round of this fight and in the 5th round of AJ's fight - if the fights werent in their home countries respectively they most likely would have been stopped. They would have been harsh stoppages, but I've seen some ridiculous stoppages in boxing rings.

[Redgloveman]

Wilder and AJ are both quite lucky, in the 7th round of this fight and in the 5th round of AJ's fight - if the fights werent in their home countries respectively they most likely would have been stopped. They would have been harsh stoppages, but I've seen some ridiculous stoppages in boxing rings.

Wilder would have been a very bad stoppage, but I don't think you can make a case for Joshua being stopped. He got dropped but made the count and didn't take any sustained punishment after that.

If Wilder had been stopped it would have been controversial af.

Both guys did well to survive.

[P4Pdunny]

Wilder would have been a very bad stoppage, but I don't think you can make a case for Joshua being stopped. He got dropped but made the count and didn't take any sustained punishment after that.

If Wilder had been stopped it would have been controversial af.

Both guys did well to survive.

They definately did well to survive, AJ spitting on his mouthpiece to buy time was very savy from someone so inexperienced but I mean the 5th round as that was 6th.

After AJ emptied his tank dropping Wlad in 5th and Wlad hurt him a few times, he literally wasn't throwing back, on the ropes. I just think if it weren't in the UK then the ref woulda stepped in. Would have been harsh though.

[Banderivets]

He does deserve credit. Yes, all he has is power and a poor skill set, but the man got heart and you can't take it away. He does truly believe in himself and he is a fighter.

I've been ****ting on him forever as I thought he would fold like a bad lawn chair once someone reaches him chin but the man was hurt and fought on.

I just wish that now he would work on his craft but he has made it clear that it won't happen...which means again that it is just a mater of time before someone young enough can bob and weave and cut the ring on him for the KO.

Ortiz was good, but the man looked old and slow in there....dead slow and he still had success, now I do believe that he was 100% on the juice for the very reason people take juice, so that he could train hard because he is just too old and just doesn't have the genetics to stay leaner.

But once he has his first loss what will happen?

[Redgloveman]

Well said, bro! One thing though - think Wilder can fight going forward and backwards really well. I still think him and Fury do that really well. AJ cannot fight on the backfoot well at all - he may not need to though.

I think Wilder's frame makes his technique look bad even when he throws correctly. His tiny legs accentuate every movement he makes.

His frame possibly contributes. He looks quite ungainly because his levers are so long, unlike someone shorter like Tyson who looks very compact - making it harder to see defensive gaps.

Having said that, he still makes little mistakes from time to time - like the one I mentioned leading to him getting caught by Ortiz right hook in the 7th which started the trouble.

He aims a 1,2 at Ortiz but doesn't bring his left hand back up to his chin before launching the right hand. I actually think he does this semi-intentionally because it means he can put as much weight as possible behind the right hand. However, if he brought his jab back to his chin (as you're taught to as a kid) the right hook wouldn't have landed on the jaw.

Luckily, Wilder's defensive reflexes kicked in and he survived the mini-crisis.

If he had started boxing as a kid, rather than an 18 year old, he probably would have tighter technique. But all this stuff makes him a compelling fighter.

part of makes Joshua Wilder so interesting is that they both have flaws and vulnerabilities but their flaws are different. Wilder is the better athlete but his technique can leave bigger defensive holes than you would want. Joshua looks technically more sound when throwing punches but has stamina issues and (in my opinion) questionable ring IQ in competitive fights.

They also have different types of power. Guys clearly feel the impact of Joshua's punches even through their guard, and if they get caught on the ropes they're generally ****ed. But Wilder has this knack of hitting between and around guys' gloves and when he lands clean he destroys them.

I've heard someone who sparred both (can't remember who) say "Joshua hits like a hammer, Wilder hits like a sniper" which probably sums it up.

[joe strong]

i dont agree at all, it was a little more then that in my eyes not to mention it has nothing to do with the fight, wilder had no cut or anything going on for them to call on the doctor. only explanation would be lets give Wilder more time to recover. (I'm sure Wilder didn't even know what was happening and he would of been happy like all other fighters that receive a gift decision if it would of hit the score cards). I'm glad wilder was able to come back and KO Ortiz just to make the fight right and not have a gift decision on his record.

On the other hand to say the fight wasn't stacked against Ortiz is a little on the underside. The cards read Wilder as being up? how is he up when he didnt do anything other than the 5th round is beyond me.

i had it 6-3 ortiz 86-84 going into the 10th. I don’t give even rounds, i don’t give 10-8 rounds if there is no KD or point deduction & I don’t give 9-9 rounds unless both score a KD or point deduction. You get dropped you lose the round. I gave Wilder 5,6 & 9. Ortiz a shutout thru 4 only because he landed a few more & neither did much. I also gave him 7 & 8. He was winning on my card but I could see a couple of the first 4 rounds being scored for Wilder because of the lack of action & he being the champion. On many occasions close rounds go to the home fighter/ champion. Both guys were saved by the bell to end rounds. This was a close fight in my opinion.

[Luilun]

You're too generous... I'm predicting he wont last a round

You're right probably a round

[sotgoda]

His frame possibly contributes. He looks quite ungainly because his levers are so long, unlike someone shorter like Tyson who looks very compact - making it harder to see defensive gaps.

Having said that, he still makes little mistakes from time to time - like the one I mentioned leading to him getting caught by Ortiz right hook in the 7th which started the trouble.

He aims a 1,2 at Ortiz but doesn't bring his left hand back up to his chin before launching the right hand. I actually think he does this semi-intentionally because it means he can put as much weight as possible behind the right hand. However, if he brought his jab back to his chin (as you're taught to as a kid) the right hook wouldn't have landed on the jaw.

Luckily, Wilder's defensive reflexes kicked in and he survived the mini-crisis.

If he had started boxing as a kid, rather than an 18 year old, he probably would have tighter technique. But all this stuff makes him a compelling fighter.

part of makes Joshua Wilder so interesting is that they both have flaws and vulnerabilities but their flaws are different. Wilder is the better athlete but his technique can leave bigger defensive holes than you would want. Joshua looks technically more sound when throwing punches but has stamina issues and (in my opinion) questionable ring IQ in competitive fights.

They also have different types of power. Guys clearly feel the impact of Joshua's punches even through their guard, and if they get caught on the ropes they're generally ****ed. But Wilder has this knack of hitting between and around guys' gloves and when he lands clean he destroys them.

I've heard someone who sparred both (can't remember who) say "Joshua hits like a hammer, Wilder hits like a sniper" which probably sums it up.

Well written, bro. These are the types of discussions I prefer to have on this site. One thing though - Wilder is extremely strong in his upper body despite his very skinny legs. See how he threw Ortiz down in the 10th and pushed him far away in one of the earlier rounds. Wilder also did the same against Duhaupas.

If AJ thinks because of Wilder's weight, he can ragdoll him, he will be grossly mistaken. Wilder has barely no weight on those tiny legs but he is country strong.

[Ray*]

So far Ortiz has been classy, no excuses just giving Wilder credit for his win.