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  • 1hourRun
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    #41
    Originally posted by Paddy Mashdown
    Wilder man, i just don't know what to think about the guy. He's rubbish, yet i'm struggling to think of anyone who could beat him. Joshua isn't anything special, i can see Wilder windmilling him the *** out. A prime Fury would've beaten him no doubt, and i think Wladimir could come out of retirement and comfortably outbox him. But current fighters?
    A coked out Fury you mean?

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    • Redgloveman
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      #42
      Originally posted by WBC WBA IBF
      Watch it again. They're both being examined.
      That is interesting, given that Trout wasn't cut - though his face was busted up.

      It is less controversial in this case however, given that Hurd was being examined anyway. As such it didn't confer any advantage on Trout as he didn't have any extra time to recover (from memory, I can't remember if he had been saved by the bell in the previous round in any case).

      It's likely that the doctors felt like it was a good moment to undertake an examination given that a timeout had to be called anyway.

      I'd actually like to see it in writing, but I don't know if I'll be bothered to look it up myself.

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        #43
        Originally posted by 1hourRun
        A coked out Fury you mean?
        A coked up Fury vs a stoned Wilder might make it more of a fair fight for Bum Squad.

        If they're both sober, Fury beats him with utter ease, shut out.

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          #44
          Originally posted by 1hourRun
          A coked out Fury you mean?
          Dont mind them. The gif you have in your profile shows Wilder thinks. The 10th round knockout was setup by baiting Ortiz. Ortiz threw a triple jab and Wilder evaded with his athleticism before countering with a right hand. How is that not impressive in itself? But they say he only has a right hand? He was thinking in there and had to see the triple jab.

          That is what setup the subsequent knockdown and TKO. I do think Fury will provide Wilder with the biggest challenge but I think Wilder gets him out of there. AJ will be easier for Wilder in my opinion. He is too textbook and easier to read for Wilder.

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            #45
            Originally posted by sotgoda
            Dont mind them. The gif you have in your profile shows Wilder thinks. The 10th round knockout was setup by baiting Ortiz. Ortiz threw a triple jab and Wilder evaded with his athleticism before countering with a right hand. How is that not impressive in itself? But they say he only has a right hand? He was thinking in there and had to see the triple jab.

            That is what setup the subsequent knockdown and TKO. I do think Fury will provide Wilder with the biggest challenge but I think Wilder gets him out of there. AJ will be easier for Wilder in my opinion. He is too textbook and easier to read for Wilder.
            Hey we have a guy paying attention here!

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              #46
              Originally posted by sotgoda
              Dont mind them. The gif you have in your profile shows Wilder thinks. The 10th round knockout was setup by baiting Ortiz. Ortiz threw a triple jab and Wilder evaded with his athleticism before countering with a right hand. How is that not impressive in itself? But they say he only has a right hand? He was thinking in there and had to see the triple jab.

              That is what setup the subsequent knockdown and TKO. I do think Fury will provide Wilder with the biggest challenge but I think Wilder gets him out of there. AJ will be easier for Wilder in my opinion. He is too textbook and easier to read for Wilder.
              In actual fact the shot that Wilder countered was one that Ortiz never should have thrown. It was a right hook, all the way across his body with his feet in a horrible position, having already thrown a triple jab and left hand. It was a big mistake and Wilder punished it ruthlessly. The hook actually landed, but given Ortiz's position it didn't really have any mustard on it.

              Wilder's always got that ruthless side to him. What impressed me most about his performance though was his defence whilst rocked. When Ortiz rocked him in the 7th it was really 50/50 whether Wilder would survive. He came through the test with flying colours which shows you have to do more than just hurt him. Contrast this with Amir Khan (for example) who has only ever survived being hurt once (against Maidana).

              Wilder's physique always suggested to me that if you got him hurt he'd be easy to finish, but he proved his defensive composure and skills.

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                #47
                Originally posted by Redgloveman
                In actual fact the shot that Wilder countered was one that Ortiz never should have thrown. It was a right hook, all the way across his body with his feet in a horrible position, having already thrown a triple jab and left hand. It was a big mistake and Wilder punished it ruthlessly. The hook actually landed, but given Ortiz's position it didn't really have any mustard on it.

                Wilder's always got that ruthless side to him. What impressed me most about his performance though was his defence whilst rocked. When Ortiz rocked him in the 7th it was really 50/50 whether Wilder would survive. He came through the test with flying colours which shows you have to do more than just hurt him. Contrast this with Amir Khan (for example) who has only ever survived being hurt once (against Maidana).

                Wilder's physique always suggested to me that if you got him hurt he'd be easy to finish, but he proved his defensive composure and skills.
                You are correct, bro. I was just implying that Wilder is more observant than he is giving credit for. As you stated, he showed his heart while clearly hurt in the 7th round. I think the left hand hurt him more in the 7th round than the right hook.

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                  #48
                  For the people talking about the extra time - for the type of fighter wilder is it actually probably hurt him more than helped, he seems like a very run on adrenaline hype up active go getter - he was readdy to run out, was stopped, pulled back, pushed to other side of ring and was looking irritated and ready to spring into begin the round - probably to throw ortiz off to show he wasn't going anywhere. Also Ortiz benefitted from every break after the 5th as well as wilder did, he needed to recover too.

                  Wilders interesting, I think its part my hate of how they shoved Joshua down our throats over here in the lead up to Wlad but it was pathetic, to hear him and others talk in promos about being like Ali etc. So it makes me root for this bat**** crazy american more and more. He reminds me of Eubank Jr combined with what Naseem said after that fight. Crazy athlete, physical specimen but if you don't got the skills you got to have the right hand. You have to have something up your sleeve, and he damn has it - but also knows how to get it in play. Everyones saying - he is so bad, but he eventually lands that right, his lucks holding out. How long before you stop seeing it as luck and start seeing it as - he always eventually finds a way to bring his bomb into play. Thats a skill in itself.

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by sotgoda
                    You are correct, bro. I was just implying that Wilder is more observant than he is giving credit for. As you stated, he showed his heart while clearly hurt in the 7th round. I think the left hand hurt him more in the 7th round than the right hook.
                    Wilder is definitely more skilled than some give him credit for. But people's doubts are understandable (even if I don't agree with them)

                    Wilder's a conundrum. He looks technically horrible at times (probably a result of taking up boxing late and being gifted with prodigious power which he can always fall-back on). But you just can't deny his skills when he keeps winning. Lightening doesn't strike 40 times

                    I'd say that his skills derive from basic talent (excellent hand-eye coordination) which make up for a certain sloppiness technically. If he had better technique he wouldn't have been caught by the right hook which started his problems against Ortiz. You're right that the left hand probably did more damage, but I think the right hook buzzed him enough that he didn't see the left as well as he should have.

                    The thing I like about Wilder as a fighter is that he has huge power but he's generally a back-foot fighter (Stiverne II aside). It's an interesting style to watch.

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by Redgloveman
                      Wilder is definitely more skilled than some give him credit for. But people's doubts are understandable (even if I don't agree with them)

                      Wilder's a conundrum. He looks technically horrible at times (probably a result of taking up boxing late and being gifted with prodigious power which he can always fall-back on). But you just can't deny his skills when he keeps winning. Lightening doesn't strike 40 times

                      I'd say that his skills derive from basic talent (excellent hand-eye coordination) which make up for a certain sloppiness technically. If he had better technique he wouldn't have been caught by the right hook which started his problems against Ortiz. You're right that the left hand probably did more damage, but I think the right hook buzzed him enough that he didn't see the left as well as he should have.

                      The thing I like about Wilder as a fighter is that he has huge power but he's generally a back-foot fighter (Stiverne II aside). It's an interesting style to watch.
                      Well said, bro! One thing though - think Wilder can fight going forward and backwards really well. I still think him and Fury do that really well. AJ cannot fight on the backfoot well at all - he may not need to though.

                      I think Wilder's frame makes his technique look bad even when he throws correctly. His tiny legs accentuate every movement he makes.

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