Why hasn't Deontay Wilder faced the following boxers in his pro career so far?

[juggernaut666]

Wilder was fresh off bicep/hand surgery and hadn't fought in a year, 1 month prep is a decent amount of time if you're already training, if he'd taken the fight on a day's notice like Duhapaus did Pedvetkin then I'd give him a pass.

Washington grew up watching boxing, he boxed a bit as a kid, he started at 26 and didn't turn pro until 30.

Wilder on the other hand wasn't familiar with the sport at all, had 0 boxing knowledge, started in late '06, had his first fights in '07, then turned pro in '08. He also fought at HW, 200lbs, not Super HW 200+. Wilder used to be a walking stick, it took him years to fill out his body.

Pulev, there is no excuse for struggling with Chisora, I thought he also looked pretty crap against Thompson as well. Doesn't have the power to bother a guy like Wilder.

Sorry but Wilders 38 fights vs Washington's 18 is not comparable. I also guarantee that fighting Mansour in his 16 fight was harder than any Wilder title defenses.And he should have lost that fight.

In the end watching boxing doesn't make up for actual boxing in the ring. If that was the case there would be a lot of keyboard warriors on here who boxed.

Wilder wasn't an old man either he was 19 and compiled 9 years of pro experience , double the fights of Washington who was old at 30 with no am experience worth noting .

One month training is not sufficient time if you are limited in experience . If Wilder is injured he should not be originally setting up fight dates with guys like Wawzyk or stating taking easy fights to test his hand out ....what HW champions do that ?

Those are the only relevant stats here.


Should Wilder defeat Ortiz he then is back in place and has a solid win but let's not pretend it took him 7 title defenses to get here with or without others to blame, its up to the fighter to make his career not the fans.

Pulev hits harder than Washington!

[juggernaut666]

You chose to compare TBRB. I'm sorry the comparison you asked for sunk your own argument. Better luck next time.

I think i liked you better in your challenging posters 50,000 to a fight on here days .

Now your just plain boring who has no clue about boxing and is all over the place .

Stiverne better than Klitchko doe ?

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I think i liked you better in your challenging posters 50,000 to a fight on here

Why bringing up this lie again? Please link us to me challenging people to a fight. Don't you feel ****** retelling an already debunked lie?

[Cutthroat]

Sorry but Wilders 38 fights vs Washington's 18 is not comparable. I also guarantee that fighting Mansour in his 16 fight was harder than any Wilder title defenses.And he should have lost that fight.

In the end watching boxing doesn't make up for actual boxing in the ring. If that was the case there would be a lot of keyboard warriors on here who boxed.

Wilder wasn't an old man either he was 19 and compiled 9 years of pro experience , double the fights of Washington who was old at 30 with no am experience worth noting .

Those are the only relevant stats here.


Should Wilder defeat Ortiz he then is back in place and has a solid win but let's not pretend it took him 7 title defenses to get here with or without others to blame, its up to the fighter to make his career not the fans.

Pulev hits harder than Washington!

Washington had 3 years amateur experience/training on Wilder and that's not counting the foundation he gained boxing as a child or years of actually watching the sport and learning.

Wilder's physical progression is also completely different, he was 200lbs as a pro, it took him over 5 years to reach 220lbs. Washington was physically filled out in his early 20's.

KO ratios:
Stiverne-72%
Arreola-70%
Washington 66%
Molina-61%
Duhaupas-58%

Pulev-50%


This is a guy that barely sc****d past Chisora and got blown the hell out vs Wlad, Jennings, Fury, AJ did significantly better.

You need power, head movement, speed, something to give Wilder trouble. Pulev has no power, he pulls straight back and keeps his left low. He's not hard to hit at all. To give you an idea where Chisora is at, he was arguably down on the scorecards to Malik Scott before a premature 6th round stoppage.

[mlac]

Lol, AJ opponents do not get 20 million +, not even close. I don't even think AJ gets that much. I hope he does, and he for sure will sometime if he keeps winning, but very few fighters have ever gotten 20+ million.

according to various reports Parker is getting between 13-30 million...with AJ getting much more.

[juggernaut666]

Why bringing up this lie again? Please link us to me challenging people to a fight. Don't you feel ****** retelling an already debunked lie?

Quotes from the brainiac himself ...........


" what other logical place is there for Wilder to fight besides his home area? " IDIOT !

"Angry? Frustrated? Hahahhaha no. You post false information, I correct you. Just doing my job. I have no emotional attachment to any of this. " Pure DELUSION ,this is what YOU do ! !


"alabama is bigger than england btw. how many times has joshua fought in england? " Smoking CRACK when you posted this ? lol

"if you're concerned about my level of intelligence, that's something that can be easily tested. why won't we each put up $50,000 USD, have our intelligence tested, and whoever scores higher takes the money? " Shouldnt you be concerned ?

" Joshua never fought a top 10 higher than Wilder has who fought Stiverne " He fought Klitchko you dunce !


"I've been involved in many civil cases and know quite well how they work. My father, mother, sister, grandfather and great grandfather are all attorneys and I am well versed in the family business. " Yea sure !


"I was SENT here to keep the trolls in line " No you are the troll!

"Not a therapist. But after decades of studying internet trolls, it becomes very easy to spot the real issues in their life that cause and fuel their negativity. " You just described yourself

But then shortly posts this bc hes such a civil and employed business man sent to educate us ......

AND

Heres the one you FORGOT , Zero .....


"Willing to face you in an iq test or in a FIGHT . your choice. we each put up 50k. you in? if not, admit you dont actually believe the things you write. " Directed at nahmean who will verify it ! HaHa you DOPE !


billeau2 look at this fool! This is a fraction of what this clown posts on here !




This is what you asked for Mr. WBC Genius

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fight breazile and miller doe...

These guys hated history back at school, they can't even be consistent

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Quotes from the brainiac himself ...........


" what other logical place is there for Wilder to fight besides his home area? " IDIOT !

"Angry? Frustrated? Hahahhaha no. You post false information, I correct you. Just doing my job. I have no emotional attachment to any of this. " Pure DELUSION ,this is what YOU do ! !


"alabama is bigger than england btw. how many times has joshua fought in england? " Smoking CRACK when you posted this ? lol

"if you're concerned about my level of intelligence, that's something that can be easily tested. why won't we each put up $50,000 USD, have our intelligence tested, and whoever scores higher takes the money? " Shouldnt you be concerned ?

" Joshua never fought a top 10 higher than Wilder has who fought Stiverne " He fought Klitchko you dunce !


"I've been involved in many civil cases and know quite well how they work. My father, mother, sister, grandfather and great grandfather are all attorneys and I am well versed in the family business. " Yea sure !


"I was SENT here to keep the trolls in line " No you are the troll!

"Not a therapist. But after decades of studying internet trolls, it becomes very easy to spot the real issues in their life that cause and fuel their negativity. " You just described yourself

But then shortly posts this bc hes such a civil and employed business man sent to educate us ......

AND

Heres the one you FORGOT , Zero .....


"Willing to face you in an iq test or in a FIGHT . your choice. we each put up 50k. you in? if not, admit you dont actually believe the things you write. " Directed at nahmean who will verify it ! HaHa you DOPE !


billeau2 look at this fool! This is a fraction of what this clown posts on here !




This is what you asked for Mr. WBC Genius

And that's kids is how you know someone lost an argument, they stop arguing about the topic and start to attack the person. The same is that big to bear?

[billeau2]

Regarding Wilder's progress: There is a story about Mike Weaver, "little Hercules" who was an excellent fighter in his day. Allegedly at a gin joint some guy got into it with him, and weaver knocked him out...turned out that the guy was the heavyweight champion for the army and Weaver found his calling!

The mythology of boxing always has room for a hitter. I can quote sources from the mid to late eighteen hundreds who claim that the most important skill in prize fighting is to hit accurately and hard... Then the rest comes easy. Just as the Jesuits were convinced that if they could just convert one Chinaman per a village, Christianity would become manifest destiny...when a trainer sees a "hitter" visions of sugar plums hung from heavyweight belts appear!

I see good arguments on this thread for and against Wilder but before addressing those points... Joshua is indeed fighting at a higher level. Its not just Klitsko either. Whyte gets a bumb rap, the guy is technically superb as a fighter and fought a great fight against Joshua.

Thing is...Because of what Wilder is, he doesn't necessarily need what other fighters need in his preparations. In a survey of world class trainers and fighters asked about who would win in the Ortiz Wilder fight, all of them said Wilder. Why is that? and i usually am quite skeptical about boxers picks in a fight. Some guys wouldn't pick but the guys who picked would smile and talk about Wilder's punching ability.

Wilder has been brought along to develop his hitting. His combinations are getting better, he is in fact putting punches together well compared to his early days. On of my close martial arts buddies who trains dogs and works with women in self defense training once told me that training both groups is similar: "You teach the woman, the dog to always win, sure you make it tougher, sure you throw obstacles, etc...but you build confidence in their attack and make that attack stronger and stronger."

The people that train Wilder are less concerned about his level of competition than most people on this thread I would wager. They probably realized some time ago they were not going to teach Wilder how to box. But they saw his potential and decided to build him up, build his confidance, and make his punching ability better and better.

Building a pure hitter is hard these days. Less rounds means less chances to connect, the conservative amateur type of fighter faced in the ring these days....BUt heavyweights still are governed by big punchers. Big punchers can still win big in the heavyweight division and mathmatically speaking if we play "moneyball" and figure things out: We can predict that if Wilder plays his cards right, he will be given a certain amount of chances to land big against the Cuban. We can predict further that if he succeeds in being on the greater number and not the lesser number in the average amount of chances he has to connect, he will be succesful.

My point is Wilder's competition might be a big straw man. he is training to find a way to unload as much as he can during a fight. Ortiz is a great test of this approach. Is it Wilder's first real test? Has he faced tough fighters before? I don't see it mattering much frankly. When Louis was beat by schmelling the first time it was because Schmelling found a technical means of hitting Louis with every right hand Louis threw. Schmelling could have been 180 pounds or 280 pounds that night lol.

[The Gambler1981]

A lot of guys on that list are basically on a level that Wilder fought since winning the belt and a few more could be explained away as impossible.

That is not to say he has beat a ton of great guys but a list like this only highlights that things they did were the right moves, if you replace Szpilka with Pulev does that change much about the perception of Wilder? I would say it would do nothing. If you replace Washington with Jennings (who hadn't fought in how long?) what does that change?

There were only a couple opportunities for bigger things to happen and a lot of that was out of Wilder's control (failed drug tests, injuries, fighters being tied up elsewhere). He obviously has to make things happen to gain further recognition but it is not like there were (or are) a ton of ways for him to really make waves