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Why hasn't Deontay Wilder faced the following boxers in his pro career so far?
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Originally posted by WBC WBA IBF View PostYou brought up TBRB. Wilder's best TBRB win is #3. Joshua's best TBRB win is #6. I don't think Parker has a TBRB win at all.
So why are you criticizing the guy with the best win? Nothing better to do with your life?
YOU go by the Transnational rankings which shows Wilder hasnt DEFENDED against a top 10 guy .
Dont you realise how ****** that makes you look ?
Parker has only defended his title twice ,and at least Fury was undefeatted and Razvan was last minute replacement to save the card in his 1st defense bc FURY pulled out.
Guess who hes fighting next in defense 3 ?Last edited by juggernaut666; 02-14-2018, 04:40 AM.
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Originally posted by Mr Objecitivity View PostIn no PARTICULAR order:
1) Kubrat Pulev
2) Bryant Jennings
3) Wladimir Klitschko
4) Vitali Klitschko
5) Mariusz Wach
6) Jarrell Miller
7) Carlos Takam
8) Dillian Whyte
9) Dominic Brezeale
10) Andy Ruiz Jr
11) Tyson Fury
12) Hughie Fury
13) David Haye
14) Dereck Chisora
These are ALL the BEST heavyweight boxers available that were in the top 10 at some point during their careers. They are also the best available heavyweight boxers based on them having the best win/loss ratios out of their career records. Their resume is also the best with all of their opponent's win/loss ratio being the best.
So the excuse that no quality heavyweight exists for Deontay Wilder except 3 or 4 heavyweights to fight against is only that, an excuse, a myth and is totally false!
Even if we exclude the following 3 'drug cheats' who failed drug tests:
1) Alexander Povetkin
2) Luis Ortiz
3) Andrzej Wawrzyk
There are AT LEAST 14 other top quality opponents available for Deontay Wilder to face. What excuse does Wilder have of not facing them? That's right, NOTHING!
If the ABSOLUTE BEST POSSIBLE OPPONENTS like Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury are unavailable. Then he could face the next best available / possible opponents such as the boxers out of the list I mentioned. Instead, Wilder chooses to fight lower ranked opponents with inferior win/loss ratios out of their career records and with inferior resumes.
The only other decent opponents he has faced are:
1) Bermane Stiverne
2) Johan Duhapas
3) Chris Arreola
4) Gerald Washington
Out of the number of bouts he has had, that's a horrible resume / level of opposition he has faced for one of the TOP heavyweights in the world and for a heavyweight champion.
Deontay Wilder has been PROVEN to be a relatively UNPROVEN FRAUD!
I agree that he is unproven and his resume sucks but some of those guys there was no real chance or demand for him to fight. When was he supposed to fight vitali? vitali has been retired for years and at the tale end he was out constantly with injuries. Ditto for Haye, out constantly with injuries. Wilder wasnt big back then. Fury has been out for a while now too and is like 400 lbs, that isnt happening anytime soon and that fight hasnt been a possibility for like 2 years now.
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Wilder, Ortiz, AJ, Fury are the only heavies that have beaten competition in the top 5. Stiverne, Jennings, Wlad x2.
Look at Pedvetkin's resume, the last time he beat a top 5 HW was about 2011 lmao
People saying Wilder's resume is weak don't know what they're talking about, a guy like Washington is arguably better than Pulev who barely sc****d past Chisora.
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Originally posted by Cutthroat View PostWilder, Ortiz, AJ, Fury are the only heavies that have beaten competition in the top 5. Stiverne, Jennings, Wlad x2.
Look at Pedvetkin's resume, the last time he beat a top 5 HW was about 2011 lmao
People saying Wilder's resume is weak don't know what they're talking about, a guy like Washington is arguably better than Pulev who barely sc****d past Chisora.
He also took the fight with less than a month to prepare while Wilder was in training . He was also only 18 fights under him ,hardly an advantage against a seasoned pro who can punch and Washington obviously is not a natural boxer which is easily seen ,he started at 30 years old .
Putting him over Pulev isnt realistic , Pulev himself would have a different fight fight with Wilder bc it would give him more breathing space to work off his jab unlike grinder Chisora ..
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Originally posted by juggernaut666 View PostWhy are you on here PRETENDING to know the sport ? Nothing better to do with yours ?
YOU go by the Transnational rankings which shows Wilder hasnt DEFENDED against a top 10 guy .
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Originally posted by el*** View PostI agree that he is unproven and his resume sucks but some of those guys there was no real chance or demand for him to fight. When was he supposed to fight vitali? vitali has been retired for years and at the tale end he was out constantly with injuries. Ditto for Haye, out constantly with injuries. Wilder wasnt big back then. Fury has been out for a while now too and is like 400 lbs, that isnt happening anytime soon and that fight hasnt been a possibility for like 2 years now.
But some people are just going to hate for the sake of hating. The HW division is crap right now...better than it was 5-10 years ago, but still the weakest of the main divisions. Probably why OP is grasping at straws and asking why Wilder hasn't fought guys like Hughie ****ing Fury.
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Originally posted by juggernaut666 View PostWashington is his best win ,at least title defense .
He also took the fight with less than a month to prepare while Wilder was in training . He was also only 18 fights under him ,hardly an advantage against a seasoned pro who can punch and Washington obviously is not a natural boxer which is easily seen ,he started at 30 years old .
Putting him over Pulev isnt realistic , Pulev himself would have a different fight fight with Wilder bc it would give him more breathing space to work off his jab unlike grinder Chisora ..
Washington grew up watching boxing, he boxed a bit as a kid, he started at 26 and didn't turn pro until 30.
Wilder on the other hand wasn't familiar with the sport at all, had 0 boxing knowledge, started in late '06, had his first fights in '07, then turned pro in '08. He also fought at HW, 200lbs, not Super HW 200+. Wilder used to be a walking stick, it took him years to fill out his body.
Pulev, there is no excuse for struggling with Chisora, I thought he also looked pretty crap against Thompson as well. Doesn't have the power to bother a guy like Wilder.Last edited by Cutthroat; 02-14-2018, 05:45 AM.
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Originally posted by WBC WBA IBF View PostI get paid to post here.
But if we're going by TBRB, nobody has defend anything against anyone because neither Joshua nor Wilder are TBRB champion. They're both contenders. One of them has beaten a top 5 fighter and the other hasn't So why are you criticizing the fighter with the better win? Doesn't make any sense.
WHATEVER AND WHOEVER is paying you to post exactly what ? lol
It doesnt matter who the champions are of what that site ranks ,YOU go by that site NOT me !
Im not criticising ,im stating FACTS on a site YOU go by . And now totally ignore title defences and now the goal post is Stivernes 2015 ranking ?
Again proving Wilder fans are pure ****** on here !
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Originally posted by juggernaut666 View PostIf you get paid to post here they should find a far better representative bc anyone placing Stiverne over Klitchko does not watch boxing .
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