Comments Thread For: Golden Boy Prez: Arum Never Called To Do Lomachenko-Linares!

[skinnystev]

all of golden boy and fishnets are know liars

[Boxing Logic]

LMAO, i called this very same scenario as soon as loma stated he would go to 35... lame

Ray Beltran has said on camera that he is bigger than Manny Pacquiao. He has also looked very good since losing to Crawford and then... how to put it... changing up his training. He looks to have somewhat undergone the Badou Jack transformation like how Jack got so much better after hiring Memo Heredia. If you know what I mean.

So, Beltran is possibly enhanced, he's way bigger than Lomachenko, and he has one punch KO power against big lightweights. Lomachenko wasn't even the biggest featherweight when he fought at 126. Beltran could easily fight at 140. So, this fight might not be anywhere near as "lame"' as I once thought. I kept thinking back to Crawford-Beltran but that was before Beltran underwent his transformation, not to mention Crawford is way bigger than Beltran.

This is the problem with modern boxing. True boxers like Lomachenko who don't look for the extra advantage of weight bullying get judged unfairly against the weight bullies. Even I was guilty of that when Loma fought Salido. I was like, "Salido just looked like **** against Mikey Garcia. If Loma doesn't blow him out, he's a hypejob." But I didn't understand that Mikey Garcia was actually a 170 pound dude fighting at 126. Well, 170 now. Maybe back then he was only 155 or 160, fighting at 126. Meanwhile Loma was a 135 pound guy fighting Salido, who weighed 11 pounds more than that in the ring vs him. So OF COURSE the fight took on a completely different complexion.

And now the same thing is happening with Beltran. In fact the comparisons of Beltran to Salido are many here. We could be in for a surprise if that fight happens. But what I'm saying is you have weight bullies like Crawford draining down from 170 pounds in camp to make 135, then rehydrating back up to 155 in the ring or whatever, and kicking a smaller Beltran's ass, and now Loma is going to be judged by the same standard also fighting Beltran at 135, when Loma is naturally 30 to 40 pounds smaller than Crawford, and much smaller than Beltran as well. And when Beltran is better now than he was then.

Weight bullies are messing the whole game up, and confusing the **** out of fans, because most fans only look at the weight class boxers fight in, they don't do the research to see what their natural weights are, and how much they are ballooning up after the weigh in. It's also like how some people say Pirog was better than GGG because Pirog knocked out Jacobs, and GGG didn't. But if you look at the fight night weights for Jacobs-Pirog, the Jacobs that Pirog fought was about 10 whole pounds lighter in the ring than the one GGG fought. That's over a full weight class. That's 2/3 of the way from middleweight to light heavyweight. If GGG had fought the 170 pound version of Jacobs, instead of the 180 pound version, Jacobs would have been on the floor from the uppercut GGG landed in the 9th round, and he might not have gotten up. He might even have been on the floor from some of the jabs GGG landed. So fans need to stop comparing apples to oranges without first looking at how big these guys REALLY are, instead of just looking at what weight class they compete at. Jarret Hurd fights at 154 but he's bigger than all the middleweights. That's just one of many examples.

[aboutfkntime]

Arum loves to name drop in order to promote his fighters. Look how he is claiming that Ramirez will fight the winner of the WBSS.

It's all bull**** at the end of the day. You rarely see him make any of the fights he blabs about.

exactly !

[Sosay]

Ill pass on Beltran vs Loma. We all knew that was the most likely scenario but hopefully Im finally wrong about Arum. He'll work with others if he gets options, if its a super fight, or if he knows his guy will win. Loma better come out and demand Linares or Easter even.

[Sosay]

does Erik Gomez have Arum’s number? Maybe steve Kim can give Gomez Arums number and he can initiate the talks. All these boxing promoters always say so and so didn’t call to make the fight. Why can’t he pick up the phone and call Arum

I see what you're saying but why is Arum willing to contact the Japanese guys then. I would think he would've called GB as soon as they told him too. Its all lip service as usual. Arum knows GB would handle the negotiations, hes full of it!

[Boxing Logic]

So did I,

yet look at what dsab posters sh all over other fighters but are once again busting out the lip balm in anticipation of crowning "him" " the atgreatest " when he once again beats an in house overmatched no hoper while claiming to want/being the best at his weight. This guys so lucky Arum has so much pull with that pos chicken sh outfit the WBO, that's why his very 1st fight was vs some midget bum for his wbo "title",he then lost that "title" vs salido but was allowed to fight for it all over again his next fight vs another tiny overmatched in Russell.

These loma fanbois have brought it on themselves by overhyping loma so much despite him having only faced 2-3 fighters near his size & he lost to 1 of them.

Are you a Crawford fan? What non "in house overmatched no hoper" did he ever get matched against? No one as good as Rigo that's for sure. Or Gary Russell JR oh wait that's TWO top non-house guys Loma fought.

Oh **** and didn't Crawford actually fight Ray Beltran himself? Oh **** that's right he did! LOL. So you were okay with a 180 pound man fighting Beltran at 135, but when a 140 pound man like Loma does it, and that's a 40 pound swing in difficulty fighting the same opponent mind you, you have a problem with it. No hard to see what your agenda is.

I mean, do real boxing fans really have to spell everything out for y'all? Loma vs Beltran is a legitimate fight because Beltran is way bigger than Loma. Crawford vs Beltran was not legitimate because Crawford was way bigger. It's just like how Mikey vs Salido was bull**** because Mikey was way bigger, but Loma vs Salido was a true legitimate test because Loma was so much smaller than him.

As I just explained in my comment before this, stop penalizing Loma for challenging himself in bigger weight classes. It's just like Chocolatito vs Cuadras or Sor Rung Visai. Cuadras and Sor Rung Visai might not have been top 5 P4P guys, but because they were so much bigger than Chocolatito, it made them into true elite challenges for Chocolatito. This is the same thing. Loma fighting a naturally 15-20 pound bigger man in Ray Beltran with a left hook from hell, without any catchweight or glove stipulation bull****, is an extremely dangerous fight.

Ill pass on Beltran vs Loma. We all knew that was the most likely scenario but hopefully Im finally wrong about Arum. He'll work with others if he gets options, if its a super fight, or if he knows his guy will win. Loma better come out and demand Linares or Easter even.

I also want to see Linares next, and I still think that's what will happen. This seems like they're just trying to hype the fight with back and forth promoter bull**** as usual. But on the other hand, Loma wants all the belts anyway, which means that if Beltran has a belt, Loma will have to fight him down the line anyway. So does it really matter what order it happens? I guess best case scenario is that Loma-Linares happens next, and then Beltran loses the belt to Verdejo or Pacquiao or something, and then Loma can fight that guy for Beltran's belt without fighting Beltran. I mean, if everyone is so sour on that fight. I think it's a top opponent for Loma because of the size and power difference. Beltran is not a top opponent for big lightweights, but for an average sized featherweight like Loma fighting at lightweight, yeah, it's a top opponent, just like Cuadras might not be a top opponent for Inoue at 115, but he sure was a top opponent for Chocolatito, a natural 108 pounder, fighting at 115. These are the nuances that many boxing fans aren't intelligent enough to understand, and that many more boxing fans are simply so biased that they have no interest in understanding because they simply want to hate on every good non-black boxer like Chocolatito and Lomachenko rather than understanding the true difficulty of the challenges they are daring to try to overcome, harder ones than about anyone else in the sport.

[KING5TWENTY]

Of course typical in house top rank stuff. Dissapointing people for years

[Boxing Logic]

Of course typical in house top rank stuff. Dissapointing people for years

They're doing Ramirez-Imam. Valdez-Quigg. Loma-Linares I still expect to happen. They just did Loma-Rigo, and Loma-GRJ in only Loma's 3rd pro fight. Yes a lot of their fights are in-house crap, but other than K2 and Main Events, Top Rank still seems to do way more significant fights with other promoters than Haymon does, so I don't understand this "Top Rank in house" reputation when they're not even close to the worst when it comes to that. PBC is far and away the worst, and a lot of Top Rank's in house bull**** is a direct result of not being able to work with the PBC fighters. You don't think Arum wants to make Gvozdyk vs Stevenson right now? But he can't because the WBC answers to Haymon and Haymon has kept Stevenson from having to fight a mandatory for 4 years.

So I'm not a fan of Top Rank, but it's funny to me how people ignore the true Big Event which screwed over boxing the last ten years, which is when Al Haymon signed 70% of the name boxers out there and then refused to let them fight anyone good for years, and only then made mostly in house fights and still kept them from fighting the true top guys. That is the real root cause of all this. Top Rank might be the flu on boxing, but PBC is what has been causing a deadly disease. Al even had Quillin drop a championship belt rather than fight Korobov. If that's how Al reacts to a mandatory with Korobov of all people, you can just imagine how he reacted to the idea of matching his guys with the likes of prime Kovalev or prime GGG. Do the math. Now the latest example is him advising Eleider Alvarez to duck the title eliminator vs Gvozdyk at the last ****ing minute after agreeing to it months earlier. Top Rank is at least professional, they don't pull **** like that with anywhere near the regularity that Haymon does.

[Stephankotyk]

may be they just dont need GBP for this?Also Oscar can call Bob and ask how negotiations with Japan are going.

[Ogecca MaMa]

So did I,

yet look at what dsab posters sh all over other fighters but are once again busting out the lip balm in anticipation of crowning "him" " the atgreatest " when he once again beats an in house overmatched no hoper while claiming to want/being the best at his weight. This guys so lucky Arum has so much pull with that pos chicken sh outfit the WBO, that's why his very 1st fight was vs some midget bum for his wbo "title",he then lost that "title" vs salido but was allowed to fight for it all over again his next fight vs another tiny overmatched in Russell.

These loma fanbois have brought it on themselves by overhyping loma so much despite him having only faced 2-3 fighters near his size & he lost to 1 of them.

if you hate on someone, argue with facts.

heavyweights don't fight in feather/bantam weights..so why you were surprised, midget fought midget?

then your story about 1st title fight aint working either.

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