Comments Thread For: Wilder: Joshua is Not Worldwide, Nobody Knows His Name in U.S.

[N/A]

Hes still not very well known if we are honest.

Only in the sense that no current boxer is well known in this country, with the exception of maybe Canelo in certain markets.

I can go outside and walk downtown LA and ask 100 people who Deontay Wilder is and at least 99 won't know.

Same could be said for most boxers. So why are we singling out Deontay when he's still far more well known than most boxers in this market?

Wilder has 600,000 instagram followers. The headliner of HBO's most recent event, Lucas Matthyse, has 11,000. Why the extraordinary bias against Wilder? He's one of the most well known boxers in this country, yet for some reason you want us to pretend he's one of the least known? The facts don't support your position.

They won't know who Joshua is either but that isn't the point. Joshua at home is well known, has several endorsements, fights on big ppvs

Good for Joshua. Who denied that AJ is more popular overall? What's being discussed is who is more popular in the US and the answer is clearly Wilder. Yet for some reason many of you find that fact upsetting? It's bizarre.

thats why he makes 10x more per fight than Wilder

No. He doesn't. He makes a lot more than Wilder, but not 10x as much. You're taking Hearn's purposely inflated figure and Haymon's purposely deflated figure to draw that conclusion. The gap is not nearly that wide.

[N/A]

that is a bad comparison you are using to try to enhance your argument. If Wilder fought that Stiverne rematch in a matinee time slot less thank 350,000 people would have tuned in to watch it. Why don't you stop tweaking numbers for your bias

Fine, let's use AJ's primetime number instead. Which was even lower. 300,000. Suit yourself.

If your complaint is that AJ isn't American and therefore doesn't fight during the best American time slot, fine, but that doesn't change who is more well known in America. Of course the American is going to have an advantage in his home country.

What's perplexing is why so many of you are in denial that Wilder is more popular in America than AJ. The facts are very clear. It's not good enough that AJ is far more popular worldwide? You have to lie about the US numbers to feel better about yourself? It's crazy.

[Dr.Cool]

You Yanks are ******.Once Joshua-Wilder is made and i am sure Joshua will Hospitalise Wilder,what other big fights are their Worldwide ??? That is why everyone is holding out this fight,until it becomes a Super Fight and a guranteed seller in the US.Fighting Miller in Brooklyn,and knocking that fat,loudmouth American out will help make the Wilder fight Bigger.Then Hearn will try to make Wilder-Whyte in the UK,as long as Wilder Knocks out Whyte,which i expect him to do.All roads are their,Joshua v Wilder,December 2018,Las Vegas and Showtime PPV,with guranteed big money in the Uk and US.You will complain about me saying Wilder-Whyte in London however that will raise Wilder's Profile by 10X,And Guarantee big PPV Money in the Uk,given it will be at 4am in the Morning for Uk Fans as i expect Joshua-Wilder to happen in Vegas.It also offers a Fallback Option,if Joshua and Wilder dont do good PPV Numbers in the US,they will have the Uk Money as a fallback.

I don't care about Wilder-Whyte or where it is at. Hearn said what you just did and Wilder said okay, put AJ next in the contract and we have a deal. Then came talk about Miller.

I want to see the best fight the best. Miller and Takam are not the best. When asked about Wilder AJ brings up Miller, Takam, Whyte, Parker, etc. etc.

AJ wants to fight Wilder as much as Thurman wants to fight Spence.

[Dr.Cool]

Fine, let's use AJ's primetime number instead. Which was even lower. 300,000. Suit yourself.

If your complaint is that AJ isn't American and therefore doesn't fight during the best American time slot, fine, but that doesn't change who is more well known in America. Of course the American is going to have an advantage in his home country.

What's perplexing is why so many of you are in denial that Wilder is more popular in America than AJ. The facts are very clear. It's not good enough that AJ is far more popular worldwide? You have to lie about the US numbers to feel better about yourself? It's crazy.

Its the same as with Hatton, Haye, Fury, etc. etc. AJ is from the UK and Wilder is from the US. Any other fact does matter.

[Dr.Cool]

887,000 viewers, in a country with a population the size of America, is not going to make Wilder a star, and those numbers would be regarded as a dismal flop for a non PPV fight in the UK.

Why do you not want to see AJ fight Wilder? You spent so much time to worship your idol AJ, but make excuses for him to avoid the best.

Get off AJ's c*ck and start being a fan of boxing. I like Wilder, but he isn't even close to being a favorite.
Though he has called out AJ, Fury, and Parker and all three have come up with excuses.

I don't care who is from where, I want to see the best fight the best.

Are you really that scared that AJ would lose??? You imagine AJ is on the left and Fury on the right and you in the middle.
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[killakali]

Only in the sense that no current boxer is well known in this country, with the exception of maybe Canelo in certain markets.




Same could be said for most boxers. So why are we singling out Deontay when he's still far more well known than most boxers in this market?

Wilder has 600,000 instagram followers. The headliner of HBO's most recent event, Lucas Matthyse, has 11,000. Why the extraordinary bias against Wilder? He's one of the most well known boxers in this country, yet for some reason you want us to pretend he's one of the least known? The facts don't support your position.




Good for Joshua. Who denied that AJ is more popular overall? What's being discussed is who is more popular in the US and the answer is clearly Wilder. Yet for some reason many of you find that fact upsetting? It's bizarre.




No. He doesn't. He makes a lot more than Wilder, but not 10x as much. You're taking Hearn's purposely inflated figure and Haymon's purposely deflated figure to draw that conclusion. The gap is not nearly that wide.

Parker is making 5x as much as Wilder makes in his next fight. Joshua routinely makes 15-20k mil a fight. He is a pay-per-view fighter. It isn't surprising. Wilder is limited to what television wants to pay for his fight and how much Haymon wants to come out of his own pocket.

Canelo is obviously well known but you somehow left out another current boxer named Manny Pacquiao who is even more well known that Canelo.

The reason we bring this up is because Wilder tries to act like he's a bigger name when he isn't. He is SLIGHTLY more well known that AJ here. Hell AJ has a poster up at ****s Sporting Goods in several US malls. Wilder doesn't have that or any endorsement deals. Wilder needs AJ a hell of a lot more than AJ needs Wilder. AJ can keep making 8 figures fighting the Pulevs of the world while Wilder can stick to his low 7 figure purses. Hearn and AJ know that and that is why they don't push for the fight. It is nothing against Wilder. He is an entertaining fighter but he happens to waaaaayy over value himself.

[killakali]

Fine, let's use AJ's primetime number instead. Which was even lower. 300,000. Suit yourself.

If your complaint is that AJ isn't American and therefore doesn't fight during the best American time slot, fine, but that doesn't change who is more well known in America. Of course the American is going to have an advantage in his home country.

What's perplexing is why so many of you are in denial that Wilder is more popular in America than AJ. The facts are very clear. It's not good enough that AJ is far more popular worldwide? You have to lie about the US numbers to feel better about yourself? It's crazy.

wait now you are suing a rerun of a fight? To compare you would need to do prime time vs prime time or how about this, two fights ago the Joshua-Klitschko RERUN did 740 views. That is pretty pathetic that a rerun could do almost the same numbers as a live show....

[Dr.Cool]

Yet he earns more than ten times as much per fight. Keep trolling Wilder, you're going on 40 fights without a household name on your resume.

He has tried to fight Wlad, Fury, Parker, AJ, Povetkin, and Ortiz.

Wilder is the most avoided man in boxing. He is the modern day heavyweight version of Paul Williams. No one will fight him; everyone is scared.

No one denies that AJ and Wilder are the two best hw's by far. Yet for some reason AJ's fans don't want him to dare to be great. If AJ ever grows a pair, Wilder will go do to AJ what Spence did to Brook.

Did you see that fight? A yankee breaking the face of a Brit! lmao. AJ saw that and said he doesn't want that to happen to him, so he talks about Miller and won't even mention the name Wilder.

[GhostofDempsey]

He has tried to fight Wlad, Fury, Parker, AJ, Povetkin, and Ortiz.

Wilder is the most avoided man in boxing. He is the modern day heavyweight version of Paul Williams. No one will fight him; everyone is scared.

No one denies that AJ and Wilder are the two best hw's by far. Yet for some reason AJ's fans don't want him to dare to be great. If AJ ever grows a pair, Wilder will go do to AJ what Spence did to Brook.

Did you see that fight? A yankee breaking the face of a Brit! lmao. AJ saw that and said he doesn't want that to happen to him, so he talks about Miller and won't even mention the name Wilder.

You sound ridiculous suggesting Joshua fears Wilder on the basis of the Soence/Brook fight. Wilder didn't push for a fight with Fury, Wlad, Parker. He isn't even pushing for AJ because he is knowingly pricing himself out.

[Dr.Cool]

Parker is making 5x as much as Wilder makes in his next fight. Joshua routinely makes 15-20k mil a fight. He is a pay-per-view fighter. It isn't surprising. Wilder is limited to what television wants to pay for his fight and how much Haymon wants to come out of his own pocket.

Canelo is obviously well known but you somehow left out another current boxer named Manny Pacquiao who is even more well known that Canelo.

The reason we bring this up is because Wilder tries to act like he's a bigger name when he isn't. He is SLIGHTLY more well known that AJ here. Hell AJ has a poster up at ****s Sporting Goods in several US malls. Wilder doesn't have that or any endorsement deals. Wilder needs AJ a hell of a lot more than AJ needs Wilder. AJ can keep making 8 figures fighting the Pulevs of the world while Wilder can stick to his low 7 figure purses. Hearn and AJ know that and that is why they don't push for the fight. It is nothing against Wilder. He is an entertaining fighter but he happens to waaaaayy over value himself.

So you are for boxers avoiding the best, as long as they can make good $$$ fighting bums???

I don't care about how much anyone makes, I care about seeing the best fight the best. You admit Wilder is a risk for AJ and AJ is happy fighting bums. Those are not the words of boxing fans, those are the words of a fanboy.

Every fighter over values himself. Didn't Parker do the same? The difference is AJ knows Parker isn't a risk, so he negotiated with him, while AJ knows Wilder is a threat, so he said Miller, Takam, Miller, Fury, Parker, Fury, Parker when asked about Wilder. Fighters start out asking for more than they can get. Every boxer does it. Negotiating is where two sides start at opposite ends and meet somewhere in the middle. Until that happens, no one has anyway of knowing if Wilder prices himself out. All everyone knows is Wilder wants the fight and AJ doesn't.