Comments Thread For: Wilder: Joshua is Not Worldwide, Nobody Knows His Name in U.S.

[Dr.Cool]

And that's why AJ can earn more money fighting at home than by travelling to a foreign land where nobody gives a damn about boxing any more.

How did you enjoy the Spence-Brook fight?

[killakali]

I don't care about Wilder-Whyte or where it is at. Hearn said what you just did and Wilder said okay, put AJ next in the contract and we have a deal. Then came talk about Miller.

I want to see the best fight the best. Miller and Takam are not the best. When asked about Wilder AJ brings up Miller, Takam, Whyte, Parker, etc. etc.

AJ wants to fight Wilder as much as Thurman wants to fight Spence.

lmaooooo. Wilder doesn’t even want to fight to fight Joshua. Why do u think he asks for a ridculous 50-50 when he sells no ppvs or tickets? It’s his way of ducking the fights.

Joshua has a big unification fight coming up. What’s wrong with that? He just fought Klitschko last year, 2 fights ago. What was wilder doing? Fighting bum after bum. Gerald Washington and Bermane stiverne. Go through Wilder’s resume and try to find one good name. miller would be an improvement over the bums wilder has been facing.

I was just pointing out the earning discrepancy

[Dr.Cool]

You sound ridiculous suggesting Joshua fears Wilder on the basis of the Soence/Brook fight. Wilder didn't push for a fight with Fury, Wlad, Parker. He isn't even pushing for AJ because he is knowingly pricing himself out.

Then why is AJ avoiding the best hw out there? A fight with Wilder would make a lot more than Takam, Miller, or Parker.

How is Wilder out pricing himself? It would take negotaitions for that to happen. Parker also outpriced himself didn't he??? Then NEGOTIATIONS happened.

Use google. Wilder called Fury out for years. Literally. He also has called out Parker and Parker's only response was to fight someone no one has ever heard of. Wilder-Wlad was all set. Wlad had to get his mandatories out of the way and then he was going to finally fight Wilder to unify. Except Fury, the same one Wilder called out repeatedly (only to be answered with "I like Batman. I like peanut butter") beat Wlad before Wilder had a chance.

So, Fury retired so he would never have to fight Wilder.

[Dr.Cool]

lmaooooo. Wilder doesn’t even want to fight to fight Joshua. Why do u think he asks for a ridculous 50-50 when he sells no ppvs or tickets? It’s his way of ducking the fights.

Joshua has a big unification fight coming up. What’s wrong with that? He just fought Klitschko last year, 2 fights ago. What was wilder doing? Fighting bum after bum. Gerald Washington and Bermane stiverne. Go through Wilder’s resume and try to find one good name. miller would be an improvement over the bums wilder has been facing.

I was just pointing out the earning discrepancy

Wilder has tried to fight Wlad, Fury, Parker, AJ, Ortiz. Who has AJ tried to fight??? AJ took the fight with Wlad, he never tried to make it.

I'm just pointing out the facts. Paul Williams didn't have a lot of big names on his resume either. And just like Wilder today, the other top fighters used that as an excuse to fight even less known opponents who didn't come with as much risk.

Wilder is the most avoided man in boxing. As you seem to admit.

[N/A]

wait now you are suing a rerun of a fight?

First you complain about using the live number, then you complain about using the prime time number. Why not just admit you're going to complain no matter what?

To compare you would need to do prime time vs prime time

No you wouldn't, because the question is who is more well known in the US. Not who would be more well known in the US if both happened to be Americans fighting in the US live in prime time.

Wilder is more well known here. Clearly. Obviously with the advantage of being from here and fighting here. It's not a slight against AJ to admit that Wilder is more well known in Wilder's country. Wtf is wrong with you . . .

or how about this, two fights ago the Joshua-Klitschko RERUN did 740 views. That is pretty pathetic that a rerun could do almost the same numbers as a live show....

#1 - Klitschko was the A-side.
#2 - HBO is in more homes than Showtime.
#3 - HBO's publicly released numbers are artificially inflated.
#4 - SHO's publicly released numbers are artificially deflated.
#5 - Prime time replay of a sporting event often outdraws the live airing.


Wilder is one of SHO's biggest ratings draws. So his numbers are only "pathetic" if the argument is taking place in an alternate universe where we have to ignore that Wilder is noticeably more popular than most American fighters.

[5000boxing]

U.K fans always talking money.. who earns more.. blah, blah... a.j don't share his money with yawl so why all the money talk? Smh.. at the end of the day.. all of the hate on wilder really translates to fear. I see right thru all the hate.

[N/A]

Parker is making 5x as much as Wilder makes in his next fight.

You have no idea if that's actually true, but whatever Parker is making, it's far less than Wilder will make against AJ.

Joshua routinely makes 15-20k mil a fight.

You have no idea if that's actually true. His claimed purse for his last fight was less than that.

He is a pay-per-view fighter.

In a market where PPV is priced dirt cheap.

Canelo is obviously well known but you somehow left out another current boxer named Manny Pacquiao who is even more well known that Canelo.

Good point. Manny is out of retirement. So yes, he would be one of very few active fighters people on the street might know.

The reason we bring this up is because Wilder tries to act like he's a bigger name when he isn't.

He said he's a bigger name in the US. That's true. Why are you getting upset about truth?

He is SLIGHTLY more well known that AJ here.

No, it's not slight. Wilder's fights do almost 3x the viewers. That isn't slight my friend.

[Outwest Exp 355]

Stop lying and I will.

Lying about what? There was a time around 2006 when HBO dropped Wlad. That’s no secret.

[killakali]

You have no idea if that's actually true, but whatever Parker is making, it's far less than Wilder will make against AJ.




You have no idea if that's actually true. His claimed purse for his last fight was less than that.




In a market where PPV is priced dirt cheap.




Good point. Manny is out of retirement. So yes, he would be one of very few active fighters people on the street might know.




He said he's a bigger name in the US. That's true. Why are you getting upset about truth?




No, it's not slight. Wilder's fights do almost 3x the viewers. That isn't slight my friend.

Parker is making 9.6 million. That is 5x more than Wilder and YOU KNOW IT. Wilder isn't fighting Joshua and doesn't really want the fight. He is trying to dictate terms as the clear B SIDE. So using your logic whatever ratings the fight between Joshua and Wilder would do WILDER IS THE B SIDE.

Wilder isn't that much bigger of a name in the US. You say Joshua's ppvs are dirt cheap when they are about what $25 US per buy? He would still create more ppv revenue than Wilder at $60 a pop in the US. Am I right or wrong? Would Wilder even do 100k ppv buys vs Ortiz? Would Wilder even do more than 250k vs Joshua? Joshua in a much smaller country would do close to 1.5 mil buys in the UK for more revenue.

[daggum]

deontay "worldwide" wilder

ironically that was stirvernes nickname "worldwide" but it had a different meaning...