Comments Thread For: Roy Jones: Mayweather is TBE? Never Came Close To What I Did!

[Boxing Goat]

So you've just basically created an arbitrary criteria out of convenience to determine who is the 'best, is that correct'?

Likewise, I could do the same:

You can't be "THE BEST" whilst having FEWER WINS than other GREAT boxers.

Since

Winning more bouts > losing fewer bouts

Since

Boxing is about winning. Boxing isn't about not losing.

If one wants to stay undefeated, they can stay undefeated without ever stepping into the ring for a single boxing bout.

However, it's impossible to have a win without first competing in the ring.

And

Roy Jones Jr's 65 wins > Floyd Mayweather Jr's 50 wins.

And if we subtract the number of losses from Roy Jones Jr's total wins from his career record and do the same with Floyd Mayweather Jr. Then we have:

Roy Jones: 65 - 9 = 56

Floyd Mayweather Jr: 50 - 0 = 50.

Ergo, Roy Jones Jr's 56 > Floyd Mayweather Jr's 50.

Simple as that!

Statistically and factually, I've proven many ways Roy Jones Jr is superior than Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Plus let's not forget that Floyd micro managed every one of his fights for the last decade of his career and took the absolute path of least resistance vs. money fights that could happen every single time. He simply wanted none of Manny until he got starched. That's fact. Not just my opinion. If you didn't believe it before the Berto and McGregor fights, you should now.

[SugarRaRobinson]

Floyd came up in a softer, more gentle era. Even though he was a terror when he was young, I still don’t think he would of beat Sugar Ray Lenard.

Floyd, in his prime had his hands full with Zab, so imagine him fighting Sugar Ray who had Speed and Power.

Or for that matter Ray Robinson who was probably the TRUE best ever, second only to maybe a Jack Johnson.

[sterilizer]

"TBE" is a subjective load of crap. Everybody has a different opinion.

One thing is true though:

Of the top 50 ATG, Mayweather Junior is seriously competing to be the most boring and cowardly in fighting style, of them all.

You take for example:
Ali
SRR
MT
SRL
TH
RD
MH
GF
JF
RM
JCC
EH
LL
AM
RJJ himself

And you will see that NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM was a boring super-defensive fighter ever, not even at the end of their careers.

And IMHO all the boxers mentioned above, were better than Mayweather Jr., specially if one uses that annoying term "prime vs. prime."

I use name initials because anyone who is a real boxing fan from most generations, and not a Mayweather Jr. casual worshiper with zero knowledge of boxing history, will know exactly who all these legends are, just by the initials.

I may have skipped at the very, very least another dozen fighters from olden times, or small-division ATG fighters of any era that were also better than Floyd and were never boring super-defensive fighters. Sorry for that. I just quickly remembered the ones I am sure were better than Floyd, in their prime, and were never boring to see.

Bottom line, it is not about having ended a career with a questionable undefeated record --other world champions have done that too BTW, and JCC was 89-0 at one point, he is also an ATG and I am sure Floyd will never ever come even close to such record, and also, that record included a huge percentage of KO wins compared to the thin record of KOs by Floyd.

To each their own. Floyd worshipers will say ridiculous stuff like he is better than any of the legends I mentioned above. But I am sure most people will not agree. For God sakes, even with people from his own era or close to it, like Pacquiao, Lomachenko, Crawford, it woudl be difficult to say Floyd was better than any of them in their prime. And certainly, Manny's unbelievable multi-division record completely obliterates Floyd's one, so just by that very fact I would consider Manny a notch above.

TO EACH THEIR OWN, this is a sport of opinion and nobody's opinion is to be consider "better" than others, anybody has the right to like or dislike whoever they please!

[jcarillo]

Agree Ray Robinson skills and longevity put him at the top. Roberto Duran was the only one in my life time that could challenge him for greatness. Duran ( former lightweight) way past his prime gave Marvin Hagler one of his toughest fights. The great sugar Ray commented that Duran was a great fighter but Hagler was just good. He thought he would have had a tougher fight with Carlos Monzon. Amazingly big welterweights Leonard and Hearns didnt challenge Hagler until the 5 ft 7 inch Duran first took that challenge and they saw some signs of aging in Haglers fight with John Mugabi. Roy was great but more Ali type great . He relied a little too much on his great reflexes .

[jcarillo]

I have to agree Mannys multi-divisional achievements put him above Floyd. But I do think both of them deserve to very high on the all time list. I was never a big fan of Floyds style but aside from the second Maidiana fight where he held all night and the 2nd half of the Pacquaio fight where he just jabbed and ran-he fought everyone else hard. I mean he fought cotto hard even hurt him late, traded with maidiana in the first fight, came on strong in close fight with oscar . But against Manny you could tell he was uncomfortable with Mannys quickness and power and had to keep the fight at a distance to win. Manny was the only guy he couldn't walk down in the end. I for one still think Manny can fight and is still dangerous against any of todays best fighters around his weight.

[SweetSci]

If any of you had any sense in boxing, you do not judge Roy today, you Judge Roy of yesterday, POST Tarver, the Roy that was faster than the cameras of the time, hands behind back, Casuals begone.

If Roy fighter POST Tarver its for passion, and almost doesn't count as pro but more of a passion money fight.

ROY never demanded a certain Ring size, Glove Type, Weigh in limit, the fact that they cant have Gatorade, or took IV's in the dressing room

So stop May Nut Hugging. Cause its Feb.

[daggum]

floyd was allergic to past prime fighters. its not really fair to compare them. floyd had a medical condition called cowardice. it was very serious!

[N!Ck F.]

had roy retired after ruiz he would be correct. from the early 90's to 2004. that version of roy I would favor to beat anyone in history. even robinson.

i remember there were talks of him facing tyson after ruiz. i think roy would've beaten that faded version of 2003 mike.

floyd was never as dominant for any stretch of his career. even floyd at his absolute best i would pick guys like robinson, duran, pryor, chavez, whitaker, leonard, hearns and even winky wright to beat him.

so if we delete everything after 2004 roy is 100% correct.

Roy was a better fighter than Floyd...but Floyd was a better boxer than Roy.
I like Roy, despise Floyd and his bafoonery but I think Floyd would beat Chavez SR, Whitaker, Pryor and has close fights with Duran and Leonard.
Robsinson, hearns and winky Wright were really big guys compared to Floyd so not really fair in Floyd favour.

[N!Ck F.]

had roy retired after ruiz he would be correct. from the early 90's to 2004. that version of roy I would favor to beat anyone in history. even robinson.

i remember there were talks of him facing tyson after ruiz. i think roy would've beaten that faded version of 2003 mike.

floyd was never as dominant for any stretch of his career. even floyd at his absolute best i would pick guys like robinson, duran, pryor, chavez, whitaker, leonard, hearns and even winky wright to beat him.

so if we delete everything after 2004 roy is 100% correct.

Roy was a better fighter than Floyd...but Floyd was a better boxer than Roy.
I like Roy, despise Floyd and his bafoonery but I think Floyd would beat Chavez SR, Whitaker, Pryor and has close fights with Duran and Leonard.
Robsinson, hearns and winky Wright were really big guys compared to Floyd so not really fair to compare.

[Goldie]

How come most fighters disagree with Mayweather being TBE? Duran, SRL, Tyson, RJJ etc...yet they revere and talk about Ali and SRR as among the best? The only people who back up Mayweather's TBE claim are mostly his fans. For me, you need to be respected and admired by your peers, just like in the academic world, you earn respect by fellow professors not laymen. Mayweather was great, but far from the TBE.

Wow, do you have a mind of your own or what? There are politics involved when fighters speak publicly on floyd so relying on public comments about floyd from other fighters to fork you own personal opinion is silly. Money Mayweather built the second half of his career on being the guy that you love to hate yet people still pretend that people aren’t biased against him. Is he truly the TBE? That’s all opinion and it’s always going to be impossible to prove one way or the other, but the fact that people even take it seriously is a testament to just how great floyd was.

Was a huge roy fan but May is above him on the all time list imo. Roy was the better athlete with faster hands and more power, but may was the more skilled plus smarter fighter. Obviously roy’s resume is tainted with the kos and losses to journeymen.