Chris John

[TheBigLug]

what is justified? its all subjective. if you compare marquez to ward, ward would have had ten points deducted if he was fighting john.

Well yeah. I guess they could have been seen as harsh but they were definitely straying low.

Either way, my point was mostly that there was a lot of close rounds, it wasn't the robbery that people say it was.

Saying that, i've only seen the fight once and it was after reading that JMM was robbed and when i watched it, i didn't see it..and i really like JMM.

[Mexican_Puppet]

Well yeah. I guess they could have been seen as harsh but they were definitely straying low.

Either way, my point was mostly that there was a lot of close rounds, it wasn't the robbery that people say it was.

Close rounds or not, John never won that fight.

[soul_survivor]

I like John alot but he did not beat Marquez. Hometown cooking classic example.

Watch it

Yeah, if you actually watch the fight, you'll see that he won, with added comfort due to JMMs point deductions. There was no hint of controversy, not from the only western journalist present or from anyone else in press row or the crowd.

The myth started much later when JMM winged about it to the Mexican fanbase.

As for John, he was a class boxer, with a solid one-two and pretty good movement, who could mix it with more offensive fighters. Funnily enough, JMM played the aggressor more often than not, as he did against Bradley, and as against Bradley, he was outboxed at times.

Along with wins over Gainer, Yordan, Juarez and a couple others, it is a very impressive career, especially adding a prime JMM to that list.

[anonymous2.0]

What do you remember about Chris John?

Some dude that was low key hyped up but refused to leave Asia. Never saw any of his fights.

[FrankieClutch]

I literally never saw him fight, but he was always talked about. I'm still unsure if he even really existed

[New England]

At people calling robbery. I'm sure they just hear someone say it and just repeat it without even watching the fight.

have you seen the fight?

put up your scorecard

[Robbie Barrett]

have you seen the fight?

put up your scorecard

Years ago. I remember i had JMM winning by a round or two, but then you have to take into account the 2 point deduction. Not some massive robbery. Problem is and we see it all the time, some of the rounds JMM won were much clearer and people remember them over the closer rounds and cry robbery.

[chrisJS]

I saw the fight within days of it happening. I remember a f1ghtnew$ Indonesian correspondent by the name of Jeffrey Pamumgkas or something. I had to pay him via western union and that he'd burn the fight the next day and mail it. I posted my scorecard on maxboxing and plenty of folks thought I was being biased until the fight surfaced a couple weeks later and most agreed it was a robbery. I've probably seen it 5-6 times since and scored it anywhere from 10-2 in rounds to 8-4 in rounds. I think I gave John the 3rd, 4th and 11th which would be 117-111 and then the two bogus point decisions so 115-111. John also had his belt up very high and Marquez still la fed above and got called on it. Also Marquez had john buzzed and then the ref just goes to adjust some advertising that was in the ring.

[FinitoxDinamita]

I really liked John though. He had a pure boxing style.

[Ray*]

Because you don't know **** about boxing.

You are from England so you are familiar with local decisions.

Great discussion. Nice contribution like adults. Totally credit to your society and upbringing.