Can some explain this to me? Haymon/Dibella/Spence

[killakali]

Plenty of promoters just have a guy for 1 fight. The entire club show industry works off of 1 fight deals.

And the thing with Haymon's guys & these random promoters Haymon works with is they have access to a nice roster of guys, but no they don't get to sign them to long term deal...or usually anyway. I think a couple guys have done deals with DiBella & other "PBC" promoters & lately some guys have been signing with non-PBC promoters.



Standard situation with Showtime paying rights fees & the fighter getting the lions share of that. Haymon gets his cut from the fighters piece & the promoter gets a fee.

The harder part to grasp is how is Showtime paying $3M-$3.5M in rights fees, those being the ballpark figures that I recall Spence being given for that fight. Or how is Haymon giving him a lil extra money on top of w/e Showtime is paying cuz honestly I have trouble believing Showtime can pay $3M+ for just one side of a fight (not sure how much Lamont got, but I'd assume $500k+ minimum)?

So its a standard situation as HBO or anyone else does, but yea on the high end of that ($3M+) is Showtime realllllllly paying THAT much or is Haymon adding something from the rest of that Waddall money to entice guys. Or what else is going on there to get Spence THAT paid? Who mfing knows????

pbc went out of their own pocket to keep spence from signing that GBP deal to fight Cotto. They had no other choice or would lose their power if he signed a deal with GBP. That being said every show isn't going to be a money maker and sometimes lead to bigger and better opportunities down the road

[killakali]

PBC is a televised boxing series. So, like any other TV series, everyone has a role and is paid a fee for it. The producer has a role and is paid for it, the promoter has a role and is paid for it, the boxers (ie. the actors) are paid for their role, etc.

It's a normal business model that's been used pretty much in every other sector but boxing. And it stops promoters from dipping their hand in every part of the pot and ****ing the boxer eight different ways.

Lol you ever heard of the music business and concert promoters or shows and the show promoters. The promoter takes the risk and puts the money up. Sometimes promoters lose money in the short run to make money in the long run. If you aren't signed to a contract to guarantee a long run is even possible it makes no sense to lose money in the short term. That is why prospects all sign with promoters. Thats why none of the top 2016 Olympians are with PBC and most of the best ones signed with Top Rank or Ringstar

[N/A]

Yeah, no.

He had that pull when he only had a few world champions.

And now he has more world champions and more pull.

[suffolkbull3]

And now he has more world champions and more pull.

let me ask u something.. why would anyone ever leave haymon?

[N/A]

let me ask u something.. why would anyone ever leave haymon?

Very few do.

Jacobs was in a weight class controlled by HBO. Had he beaten GGG, all the belts would have come over to PBC, but with him coming up short, it was going to be very difficult to get back in the mix without switching sides.

[Citizen Koba]

How many promoters do you know?

Dibella, Ten Goose, Mayweather, Warriors and others promote events with Haymon fighters without having those fighters under exclusive promotional agreements. This has been going on for years. Where have you been?

Spence's purse was filed with the commission at $1.2 million. Where did you get the $1.5 million figure from? I know where you got the $3.5 million figure from. Dan Rafael of ESPN was fed a bogus story by Bob Arum (as usual).

Spence likely made more than $1.2 million. The figure filed with the commission for a main event A-side is often artificially low to minimize taxes and sanctioning fees.

But very unlikely he made $3.5 million for that fight.

I'm not challenging the veracity of the bolded, cos I honestly have no idea what happened, but I am a little puizzled. How would it benefit Arum to have people thinking that Haymon is overpaying his fighters? I can understand how it's in Als interests to let other fighters know he gets his guys a fat cheque, but I'm struggling to see what Arums motive would be.

[suffolkbull3]

Very few do.

Jacobs was in a weight class controlled by HBO. Had he beaten GGG, all the belts would have come over to PBC, but with him coming up short, it was going to be very difficult to get back in the mix without switching sides.

makes sense to me.. thank u

[N/A]

I'm not challenging the veracity of the bolded, cos I honestly have no idea what happened, but I am a little puizzled. How would it benefit Arum to have people thinking that Haymon is overpaying his fighters? I can understand how it's in Als interests to let other fighters know he gets his guys a fat cheque, but I'm struggling to see what Arums motive would be.

To try to cause a rift between Al and his other fighters. Fighters read Spence is getting $3.5 million and start to question why they're making nowhere near that. It's just typical Arum mind games.

[Citizen Koba]

To try to cause a rift between Al and his other fighters. Fighters read Spence is getting $3.5 million and start to question why they're making nowhere near that. It's just typical Arum mind games.

It's as plausible a reason as any, I suppose, if we're assuming that Arum is the source. Seems a bit contrived to me, but then I ain't really got a particularly twisty way of thinking, so...

[N/A]

It's as plausible a reason as any, I suppose, if we're assuming that Arum is the source. Seems a bit contrived to me, but then I ain't really got a particularly twisty way of thinking, so...

Haymon doesn't talk to the press. Rafael doesn't have any sources that would know Haymon and Spence's private arrangements.

Rafael is fed info by TR & GB all the time. TR & GB both went after Spence hard and failed. So you make up a story about Spence being insanely overpaid to explain why you failed to sign him and also hope it causes Haymon headaches with his other fighters. Arum & DLH play Rafael like a fiddle. It's been going on for years.