Can some explain this to me? Haymon/Dibella/Spence

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relax man, ive been a boxing fan forever... i just never paid attention or gave a sht about how it works with promoters.

So you wrote "No promoter i know would sign a 1 fight deal" even though you don't know any promoters, have never paid attention to how things work with promoters, and have never cared about how things work with promoters.

Do you see why that came across a bit odd?

i have a close friend who manages a hi profile fighter and he specifically told me what spence made behind the scenes.

Unless that close friend is Al Haymon and the high profile fighter is Errol Spence, you have no idea what he made.

What's even funnier though is that you weren't sure if Spence made $1.5 million or $3.5 million, even though you now claim a close friend told you exactly what he made.

[Eff Pandas]

Yep.

If Rafael is reporting on Haymon/PBC, check to see if it's been broken/verified by someone else first. If it's a reliable source, then it's true. If you don't see it anywhere else, or if it's co-signed by a Fisher or Kim, then they're probably getting it from Arum or Golden Boy.

Usually he's a purse dork so I tend to trust him on purses, but yea you're not wrong about many "journalists" having alliances basically with certain promoters. The whole industry seems like its like that almost, but yea Arum is particularly good at getting the favor of writers.

[suffolkbull3]

So you wrote "No promoter i know would sign a 1 fight deal" even though you don't know any promoters, have never paid attention to how things work with promoters, and have never cared about how things work with promoters.

Do you see why that came across a bit odd?




Unless that close friend is Al Haymon and the high profile fighter is Errol Spence, you have no idea what he made.

What's even funnier though is that you weren't sure if Spence made $1.5 million or $3.5 million, even though you now claim a close friend told you exactly what he made.

yea ur right i understand now.. i shouldnt of said that about promoters i assumed i didnt know for fact.. i apologize.. my friend had several dealings with haymon, and i am good friends with errols uncle steve.. we grew up together in brentwood.. i was saying, if u look at public reports then spence made 1.5 +/- and if u ask people behind the scenes they will tell u $3.5. both steve and my friend told me he made 3.5 and they dont know each other so ill believe thats what he made.

[IMDAZED]

Usually he's a purse dork so I tend to trust him on purses, but yea you're not wrong about many "journalists" having alliances basically with certain promoters. The whole industry seems like its like that almost, but yea Arum is particularly good at getting the favor of writers.

Yeah, he's good with the purses. But he's not good with any info related to PBC/Haymon and no one, I repeat, no one, informs him of their purses. So someone who has a PBC/Haymon source might announce it, then Rafael will piggyback off that and because he has a greater audience, it looks like he broke the news.

If not that, he just announces it a few days before the fight (when it's filed). BTW, anyone can call the commission and verify purses that have been filed, including you or me. Although that's not true in all states.

The problem is he said $3.5m based on a silly rumor that shows how much investigative work he really does (none). I'm sure someone from GBP or Top Rank told him that and he ran with it.

[paulf]

Yea this.

The only questionable part is how is Spence getting THAT much. Is DiBella getting shorted that much. Haymon FOR SURE takes less than the average manager so thats a cut thats staying with a fighter, but thats coming from the purse anyway so idk that that matters. Is the hot dog money coming to Haymon & Haymon passes on some of that to the fighter? Again who f#cking knows whats up here exactly.

Only Bob & Oscar might know since they got to see all those PBC documents.

Haymon was commanding that much for his fighters for years, way before PBC. It probably came to public consciousness with Andre Berto, when he turned down the fight with Cotto because the 2mil or whatever he was offered wasn't worth the risk when he was making over a million bucks a fight against the likes of Freddy Hernandez. People were shocked and confused.

Haymons been around the block; first it was HBO's coffers he was raiding, then Showtimes, then the private investment that created PBC, and now Showtime again.

People have been asking how the hell he gets away with these insane purses for his fighters, a good number of which have no drawing power whatsoever, for years. For the longest time the only explanation was that he had Mayweather as leverage, but Floyd retired and it seems he still has ever bit as much as pull as before when it comes to getting his fighters paid.

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yea ur right i understand now.. i shouldnt of said that about promoters i assumed i didnt know for fact.. i apologize.. my friend had several dealings with haymon, and i am good friends with errols uncle steve.. we grew up together in brentwood.. i was saying, if u look at public reports then spence made 1.5 +/- and if u ask people behind the scenes they will tell u $3.5. both steve and my friend told me he made 3.5 and they dont know each other so ill believe thats what he made.

Spence's purse filed with the commission was $1.2 million.

I'm not saying he didn't make more than that. It's very common for main event A-sides to minimize the filed purse to save on taxes and sanctioning fees.

But the $3.5 million is nonsense. Anybody that told you that number either got that number from the bogus ESPN report, or heard the rumors from the same sources that constantly trick Rafael into posting false information (Arum, De La Hoya).

[IMDAZED]

Spence's purse filed with the commission was $1.2 million.

I'm not saying he didn't make more than that. It's very common for main event A-sides to minimize the filed purse to save on taxes and sanctioning fees.

But the $3.5 million is nonsense. Anybody that told you that number either got that number from the bogus ESPN report, or heard the rumors from the same sources that constantly trick Rafael into posting false information (Arum, De La Hoya).

I don't think they trick him. I think he knows it's BS (how can he not), but willingly publishes it because it helps steer the narrative he's been helping them cultivate for years now.

[N/A]

For the longest time the only explanation was that he had Mayweather as leverage, but Floyd retired and it seems he still has ever bit as much as pull as before when it comes to getting his fighters paid.

He who controls the belts controls the sport.

Haymon currently controls the following titles:


WBC WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE
WBC WORLD LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE
IBF WORLD LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE
WBC WORLD SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE
IBF WORLD SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE
IBF INTERIM SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE
WBC WORLD SUPER WELTERWEIGHT TITLE
WBA SUPER SUPER WELTERWEIGHT TITLE
IBF WORLD JUNIOR MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE
WBC WORLD WELTERWEIGHT TITLE
WBA SUPER WELTERWEIGHT TITLE
IBF WORLD WELTERWEIGHT TITLE
WBA WORLD SUPER LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE
IBF WORLD JUNIOR WELTERWEIGHT TITLE
WBC WORLD LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE
IBF WORLD LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE
WBC WORLD FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE
WBA SUPER FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE
WBA WORLD FEATHERWEIGHT TITLE

[suffolkbull3]

Spence's purse filed with the commission was $1.2 million.

I'm not saying he didn't make more than that. It's very common for main event A-sides to minimize the filed purse to save on taxes and sanctioning fees.

But the $3.5 million is nonsense. Anybody that told you that number either got that number from the bogus ESPN report, or heard the rumors from the same sources that constantly trick Rafael into posting false information (Arum, De La Hoya).

with the most utmost respect, u can believe what u want. i know u know ur ish and i highly respect u.. but ill believe what his uncle told me.

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ill believe what his uncle told me.

His uncle is far more likely to have read the ESPN report than to have been told private financial information by Errol.

Golden Boy went all in on trying to sign Spence, offered a long term HBO deal, a Cotto fight, etc, and the best they could muster was $2.5 million. You really think Spence was paid $3.5 million to face Lamont Peterson on Showtime when he was only offered $2.5 million for a major pay-per-view against Miguel Cotto? Doesn't make any sense.

Now, what is very possible, is that Errol was offered an advance or signing bonus for re-upping with Haymon that made Showtime more attractive than HBO. But $3.5 million specifically for the Peterson fight? I don't see it.