Lets examine the momentum of Wilder's last 2 opponents

[yankees7448]

No one praised him but we praised him?..... mmmmm

We didn't praise who he fought. We praised what he did.

The division is filled with active fighters and deserving fighters. Why hasn't Wilder fought Ortiz before? Why hasn't Wilder fought any legit top 10 HW in 9 years?

Ok. Lets play matchmaker. These are all the non-titleholders ranked in the top 15 of the four major sanctioning bodies? Who from this list should he fight next assuming it isn't Anthony Joshua? Which world beater is out there amongst this list that you think Wilder absolutely should fight next.

Manuel Charr
Dillian Whyte
Dominic Breazeale
Kubrat Pulev
Tony Bellew
Johann Duhaupas
Charles Martin
Agit Kabayel
Oscar Rivas
Carlos Takam
Lucas Browne
Adam Kownacki
Dereck Chisora
Bermane Stiverne
Hughie Fury
Alexander Povetkin
Fres Oquendo
Jarrell Miller
Trevor Bryan
Christian Hammer
Alexander Ustinov
BJ Flores
Guillermo Jones
Otto Wallin
Bryant Jennings
Kyotaro Fujimoto
Alexander Dimitrenko
Christain Hammer
Tom Schwarz
Iago Kiladze
Christian Hammer
Zhilei Zhang
Amir Mansour
LaRon Mitchell

[Eff Pandas]

How can any one justify these opponents for a world title? why are the WBC sanctioning these fights? it's a disgrace to boxing, the HW division and the WBC belt!

Welcome to boxing lol, but nah I doubt anyone disagrees with you who hasn't been stockholm syndromed into accepting or even hyping these corrupt ABC groups (its obviously not just the WBC who's a problem).

These ABC groups butt**** & insult this sport pretty much week in, week out. This is nothing new.

How to change that is the thing I hope someone with a lot of money is brainstorming about & trying to blueprint into reality in the coming years as we speak.

[Vinnykin]

Welcome to boxing lol, but nah I doubt anyone disagrees with you who hasn't been stockholm syndromed into accepting or even hyping these corrupt ABC groups (its obviously not just the WBC who's a problem).

These ABC groups butt**** & insult this sport pretty much week in, week out. This is nothing new.

How to change that is the thing I hope someone with a lot of money is brainstorming about & trying to blueprint into reality in the coming years as we speak.

It just seems to be prevalent with the WBC and Wilder, I mean, how many other WBC champions get 2 38 year old guys in a row, 1 a mandatory and one a drug cheat, one after the other? both guys have fought 1 fight in the last 2 years nearly, it's a joke.

[Vinnykin]

We didn't praise who he fought. We praised what he did.



Ok. Lets play matchmaker. These are all the non-titleholders ranked in the top 15 of the four major sanctioning bodies? Who from this list should he fight next assuming it isn't Anthony Joshua? Which world beater is out there amongst this list that you think Wilder absolutely should fight next.

Manuel Charr
Dillian Whyte
Dominic Breazeale
Kubrat Pulev
Tony Bellew
Johann Duhaupas
Charles Martin
Agit Kabayel
Oscar Rivas
Carlos Takam
Lucas Browne
Adam Kownacki
Dereck Chisora
Bermane Stiverne
Hughie Fury
Alexander Povetkin
Fres Oquendo
Jarrell Miller
Trevor Bryan
Christian Hammer
Alexander Ustinov
BJ Flores
Guillermo Jones
Otto Wallin
Bryant Jennings
Kyotaro Fujimoto
Alexander Dimitrenko
Christain Hammer
Tom Schwarz
Iago Kiladze
Christian Hammer
Zhilei Zhang
Amir Mansour
LaRon Mitchell

Are you trying to defend 2 38 year old, past it fighters getting a shot at the WBC HW title? seriously. Can you possibly think of no one more deserving that these 2?

[Vinnykin]

We didn't praise who he fought. We praised what he did.



Ok. Lets play matchmaker. These are all the non-titleholders ranked in the top 15 of the four major sanctioning bodies? Who from this list should he fight next assuming it isn't Anthony Joshua? Which world beater is out there amongst this list that you think Wilder absolutely should fight next.

Manuel Charr
Dillian Whyte
Dominic Breazeale
Kubrat Pulev
Tony Bellew
Johann Duhaupas
Charles Martin
Agit Kabayel
Oscar Rivas
Carlos Takam
Lucas Browne
Adam Kownacki
Dereck Chisora
Bermane Stiverne
Hughie Fury
Alexander Povetkin
Fres Oquendo
Jarrell Miller
Trevor Bryan
Christian Hammer
Alexander Ustinov
BJ Flores
Guillermo Jones
Otto Wallin
Bryant Jennings
Kyotaro Fujimoto
Alexander Dimitrenko
Christain Hammer
Tom Schwarz
Iago Kiladze
Christian Hammer
Zhilei Zhang
Amir Mansour
LaRon Mitchell

hahahahaha praise is praise you ****ing moron lol you praised what Wilder done to an old, inactive fighter who should never have been put in there. disgraceful that we have such a non-competitive fight in the HW division, and it's not because Wilder is too skilled, trust me.

[boliodogs]

I think the whole heavyweight division is very average including Wilder, AJ and Fury. There just aren't any really good heavyweights Wilder can fight witch is lucky for him because he isn't very good himself. Ortiz may be very old and has not looked good sometimes but he i still about the best opponent Wilder could fight and much better than any opponent Wilder has fought before. Ortiz has decent skills and he has real power. Wilder is easy to hit and has an average chin. Ortiz could win.

[Eff Pandas]

It just seems to be prevalent with the WBC and Wilder, I mean, how many other WBC champions get 2 38 year old guys in a row, 1 a mandatory and one a drug cheat, one after the other? both guys have fought 1 fight in the last 2 years nearly, it's a joke.

I think all these corrupt ABC groups got their specialties. This just so happens to be one of the WBC's specialties.

The WBA likes their lil sub-title bs. The IBF likes forcing the most bs random & weird mandatory's in the game. And the WBO seems to like old a$$ promoters (Warren & Arum got like 75%+ of their belts I think) among other things.

All of them are attempting to corner their own lil corruption market in the boxing world.

[juggernaut666]

I like to go with facts i=when it comes to boxing, not speculation. At this point, Parker has fought better opponents (takem, ruix and HF are in my top 10) and has fought different styles, he hasn't looked good in them, dominated them, but they all have different styles and he hasn't looked bad, that tells me he is top 10 and good, AND LEARNING! I can see that Parker is strong, can go 12 rounds at a high level and win, despite the opponent. I personally think Parker is just outside the top 5 but is a tough fight for any one in the division.

Regarding Ortiz, Like I said in another post he would have splatted Wilder all over the ring 3 years ago....but one has gone up and one has gone down. I don't know what Ortiz has as he hasn't fought the calibre of opponents that Parker has in the last 3 years......fact.

If you believe Ortiz is 38 and hasn't lost any of his ability in the last 3 years, good on you. The fact is that Parker is proven to be around the top 5 and Ortiz is not. You put him there by nothing more than fights 3 years ago. it's like me saying klitschko is the No,1 HW in the world right now....... totally mental and deluded.

PS - I'm a Fury fan, and think him at 100% beats every HW, I wouldn't dare to say that after he had a run like Ortiz or was 38 years old. come on man.

The only fact is you wont answer the question .

Who in the WBC would you have Wilder fight next ?

I gave you an entire list of what Ortiz does better than Parker and you still use straw man angles to brush aside whats actually real . If anything Parkers fights doesn't show hes better in fact it should open ppls eyes up if they knew how to evaluate levels .

Fury has the intangibles ,attributes and style to defeat alot of guys ....if you cant see that even now it is you who are deluded and im not a Fury fan but wouldn't doubt him less if he wasnt close to losing at any reasonable age ,as long as hes fit on an Ortiz run.

Is Ortiz not fit enough for you ? lol

It doesn't matter what Ortiz has left ,the fact you are the one using speculation no one else and assuming hes a bum which is deluded based on age rather than actual skills one can see is there.

[Eff Pandas]

Ok. Lets play matchmaker. These are all the non-titleholders ranked in the top 15 of the four major sanctioning bodies? Who from this list should he fight next assuming it isn't Anthony Joshua? Which world beater is out there amongst this list that you think Wilder absolutely should fight next.

Manuel Charr
Dillian Whyte
Dominic Breazeale
Kubrat Pulev
Tony Bellew
Johann Duhaupas
Charles Martin
Agit Kabayel
Oscar Rivas
Carlos Takam
Lucas Browne
Adam Kownacki
Dereck Chisora
Bermane Stiverne
Hughie Fury
Alexander Povetkin
Fres Oquendo
Jarrell Miller
Trevor Bryan
Christian Hammer
Alexander Ustinov
BJ Flores
Guillermo Jones
Otto Wallin
Bryant Jennings
Kyotaro Fujimoto
Alexander Dimitrenko
Christain Hammer
Tom Schwarz
Iago Kiladze
Christian Hammer
Zhilei Zhang
Amir Mansour
LaRon Mitchell

LOL, but yea this is legit & this is often my first approach when someone dogs a specific opponent. Who else is out there for them to fight? And the reality is HW isn't & has seldom been a deep division.

Now if you wanna question why Bermane + Ortiz got in the positions they got in fair play. But the reality also is what else is out there?

I mean HW might be the division I like the most, but seldom is there more than 1 fight I really wanna see in this division cuz there is never a whole lot going on with it at the top. Meanwhile I could probably name 12+ fights I'd like to see at 147 & half a dozen give or take in most divisions I enjoy the most.

[Vinnykin]

The only fact is you wont answer the question .

Who in the WBC would you have Wilder fight next ?

I gave you an entire list of what Ortiz does better than Parker and you still use straw man angles to brush aside whats actually real .

Fury has the intangibles ,attributes and style to defeat alot of guys ....if you cant see that even now it is you who are deluded and im not a Fury fan but wouldn't doubt him less if he wasnt close to losing at any reasonable age ,as long as hes fit .

Is Ortiz not fit enough for you ? lol

It doesn't matter what Ortiz has ,the fact you are the one using speculation no one else and assuming hes a bum which is deluded based on age .

Ok, Whyte, Pulev, Breazeale, Bellew, Takam, Fury......all active and more deserving than Ortiz, have fought at a higher level and been active. Are you saying you wouldn't be pissed off if you were any of those fighters and old man Ortiz jumps in front after not having a fight in 3 years lol

Your subjective opinion on what Parker does better than Ortiz means FA to me, In fact I'll give you a list of things Parker has over Ortiz:

Youth
Stamina (proven)
fighting on the backfoot
lateral movement
athleticism
jab (proven)
has fought better opponents
has been pushed in fights and came through
isn't 60 years old

easy isn't it.

You have used subjective and pure speculation as to what Ortiz does better........ SHOW ME THE FIGHT THAT PROVES ORTIZ IS BETTER THAN PARKER IN ALL THOSE AREAS...... you can't can you? he has fought Allen, Scott and my dad in the last 2 years and has looked WORSE than Parker in EVERY area!

are you kidding me right now? are you seriously saying Ortiz has looked better than Parker in the last 3 years lol