Floyd Mayweather NEVER DARED TO BE GREAT

[IMDAZED]

Already had the same discussion.

Pointless. It's a yes he is no he's not game.

Thanks for the heads up, my friend.

[IronDanHamza]

By Knock out I mean, stopped or KO'ed in boxing, nevermind details how the stoppage was, he got stopped in a fight he wasn't supposed to be stopped, and he got beat up by Joshua Clottey ( A dude that none touted as anything good at 29 years old.)

In fights that mattered, he gets beaten, and that is not something an A-level fighter would be in.

Well the details matter. He wasn't knocked out by Casamayor and Casmayor was a top quality fighter himself.

He was finished by the time he fought Clottey.

He beat Manfredy, Casamayor, Freitas and Castillo all in fights that "mattered"

[IronDanHamza]

Being repeatedly knocked out by opponents pre-Mayweather in his 20's isn't really telling 4 times actually , and then getting stopped by B-C-level opponents while not doing anything great is not telling.

Just because you are the best Lightweight at some point doesn't mean you are A-level when clearly you didn't have the achievements to back it up.

No the best Lightweight of his era that is a pretty sufficient amount of time.

You say he got knocked out like you aren't just reading off boxrec. He lost fights as a youngster because he turned pro early like many fighters who turn pro early do. Once he grew into his prime years he beat the likes of Johnston, Casamayor, Diaz, Lazcano, Corrales and arguably Mayweather.

Not A level? Ok...Sure.

[chrisJS]

Please tell me the greater fighters he defeated or the greater accomplishments he achieved

Please tell me the greater fighters he defeated or the greater accomplishments he achieved

I'm surprised you didn't even know who McCallum was. Even casuals know him a little bit.

Do you even know the fighter in my sig? Have you ever heard of the following fighters - Eder Jofre, Emile Griffith, Carlos Ortiz for example? I seriously suggest instead of posting all day defending your celebrity crushes honor and watching his fights every day on repeat you check out other fights and fighters. It's a great sport with a ton of history and more than 10 fighters worth watching. Your surely too old to be fixated so much on one fighter and having your whole Boxing universe revolving around him no?

You can learn about him yourself. It's not my job to teach you fighters you don't know about. Read his bio, watch his fights and gain a grasp of who he fought and when he fought them.

I'll give you some tidbits. He beat Curry as an underdog, excellent wins like Jackson and McCrory. Some excellent wins over very good British fighters Watson and Graham on the road. As an old man skipped two divisions and won the 175 belt as an underdog. Great win over an opponent as difficult as Kalambuy. You don't know these fighters or this era but gain some perspective of it and you may understand.

Otherwise stay being a casual and a nutthugger.

Now I am fine with casuals. We can't all have a good grasp of boxing history, enjoy multiple fighters, attend live fights and know the sport beyond their favorite fighter but I have a problem with casuals who try to speak fact and talk on history on a subject they don't know. I'm a casual fan of baseball and basketball so I don't really try to make outlandish statements about folks I've never heard of or trash all-time greats to elevate my favorites. But since you post so much in a boxing forum and try to put everyone in a historical ranking learn the history and the sport. You don't need to buy the DVDs like I used to (or VHS too) to amass a large fight library you can go to YouTube and watch fights. Surely watching great fights, fighters from different, more competitive and better eras is better than watching Mayweather-Sosa for the 38th time?

I can give you a list of perhaps 40-50 fights you've never seen to start watching and perhaps even some books too. Surely it beats rotating Mayweathers career set every month? I bet you've seen Mayweather-McGregor more than Pryor-Arguello for example.

[Thraxox]

Well the details matter. He wasn't knocked out by Casamayor and Casmayor was a top quality fighter himself.

He was finished by the time he fought Clottey.

He beat Manfredy, Casamayor, Freitas and Castillo all in fights that "mattered"

4 names that were never "Great" and Manfredy was never anything, 2 of those names where got KO'ed and stopped and lost, those names in his resume are not the qualities of an A-level fighter, and the matters worst the way he won it, he won it by the skin of his teeth or having himself getting stopped only to have quickly risen up to counter Castillo to stop him himself. Freitas is the most respectable, for having one of the longest streaks of defenses in the lightweight division, but then we had many of those types of fighters that had severely long defenses and went short against elites and Freitas is one of them, and he was in his prime then, or near it when he fell short once more against Diaz who was never elite level.

[IronDanHamza]

4 names that were never "Great" and Manfredy was never anything, 2 of those names where got KO'ed and stopped and lost, those names in his resume are not the qualities of an A-level fighter, and the matters worst the way he won it, he won it by the skin of his teeth or having himself getting stopped only to have quickly risen up to counter Castillo to stop him himself. Freitas is the most respectable, for having one of the longest streaks of defenses in the lightweight division, but then we had many of those types of fighters that had severely long defenses and went short against elites and Freitas is one of them, and he was in his prime then, or near it when he fell short once more against Diaz who was never elite level.

So it matters they way he won but when it comes to getting stopped the circumstances don't matter?

Beating those fighters listed is pretty impressive if you ask me. And you say "skin of his teeth" but he knocked them all out except Casamayor.

[Thraxox]

No the best Lightweight of his era that is a pretty sufficient amount of time.

You say he got knocked out like you aren't just reading off boxrec. He lost fights as a youngster because he turned pro early like many fighters who turn pro early do. Once he grew into his prime years he beat the likes of Johnston, Casamayor, Diaz, Lazcano, Corrales and arguably Mayweather.

Not A level? Ok...Sure.

Castillo 23-25 years old losing to fighters that are 18-4 MATTERS. It is not like Marquez who lost his debut but then doing great things in his primes, like beating Barrera, almost becoming undisputed etc. etc at some weights, Castillo getting beaten repeatedly early in his career and to only go neck and neck with Castillo-Casamayor is just not "great" while also not racking the greatest of resume's.

Our standards of an A-level fighter is just different and this conversation is getting circular. I'd rather end it, it leads to nothing.

[Thraxox]

So it matters they way he won but when it comes to getting stopped the circumstances don't matter?

Beating those fighters listed is pretty impressive if you ask me. And you say "skin of his teeth" but he knocked them all out except Casamayor.

Castillo-Corrales and Casamayor-Corrales is the "Skin of his teeth" fights, you know Corrales was going to get stopped before Corrales fired back and KO'ed Castillo, and then close fights with Casamayor.

That's why Freitas win to me is the most impressive.

Our standards of an A-level fighter is just different, though I do enjoy the conversation Dan since you are sincere with it unlike some other posters. Have a good day.

[IronDanHamza]

Castillo 23-25 years old losing to fighters that are 18-4 MATTERS. It is not like Marquez who lost his debut but then doing great things in his primes, like beating Barrera, almost becoming undisputed etc. etc at some weights, Castillo getting beaten repeatedly early in his career and to only go neck and neck with Castillo-Casamayor is just not "great" while also not racking the greatest of resume's.

Our standards of an A-level fighter is just different and this conversation is getting circular. I'd rather end it, it leads to nothing.

You act like Casamayor is a bum or something. Casamayor was a top level fighter.

Stevie Johnston was a top level fighter.

Corrales was a top level fighter.

Mayweather was obviously a top level fighter who he arguably beat.

What is an A level fighter to you?

[Thraxox]

You act like Casamayor is a bum or something. Casamayor was a top level fighter.

Stevie Johnston was a top level fighter.

Corrales was a top level fighter.

Mayweather was obviously a top level fighter who he arguably beat.

What is an A level fighter to you?

My standards of A-level

A fighter that has a great resume, that doesn't lose on fights that mattered and is clearly above them, clearly having enough B-level names to show that he stood out away from them and having good-great achievements (Unifying the division from in dominating fashion etc.etc.)

Corrales - He did not have a great resume, he did not stood out from other fighters such as Castillo, he did not also have the greatest of achievements other than unfying the division with Castillo only to get KO'ed in his next fight.

Castillo - Same with Corrales, not the greatest of resume's, lost fights were it mattered and especially lost fights to complete unknowns close to his prime.

Casamayor - Same goes to him.

In order to be A-level you must have all 3 to meet the Standards. I don't consider Crawford - Spence - Thurman to be A-level yet despite some were in the P4P since all 3 of them lacked my standards, Thurman is the closest because he is starting to rack up his resume while Spence is the most behind. Also I never claimed Casamayor to be a bum, he was a good fighter, but was never great.