Was PBC a Complete Waste of Time?

[IMDAZED]

His numbers were good on HBO

Yes he is a boxing star, but so is everyone else in boxing that is on tv.

thurman
loma
crawford
wilder


None are mainstream superstars, none draw huge money.

PBC has to pay to get thurmans fights shown ffs


PBC had a legit chance to change the game, and blow up the whole industry, but instead they kept the status quo of boxing and just moved channels.


Boxing on network tv was supposed to slowly bring boxing back to the mainstream like it was for 100 years til the late 90s


like i said before, great idea, poor execution

His numbers are better than what they were on HBO. 3-4 times better.

So how did you come up with your conclusion regarding Thurman? Thurman has produced three of the seven highest viewership numbers in the past three years.

You’re wrong. You won’t admit it, but you are. Which is why you keep circling back to talking about PBC as a whole. A conversation I’m fine having, but I’m not going to move forward with it when you prove too pig-headed to admit you’re in error.

[rickJen]

1. He should do much bigger numbers on tv than on premium cable.

2. How many ppvs has he headlined? Garcia, Porter, and now Spence. How many big network fights does Thurman and Pbc need to turn him into a major draw.

3. If Thurman and Pbc doing big numbers then why no tv deal after 3 years. How long does it take to prove a concept?

Good point doe.
Networks are supposed to be buying these highly-rated fights.
But they don't. You can't help but wonder why.
Haymon always have to come up with the needed money.

[Lester Tutor]

His numbers were good on HBO

Yes he is a boxing star, but so is everyone else in boxing that is on tv.

thurman
loma
crawford
wilder


None are mainstream superstars, none draw huge money.

PBC has to pay to get thurmans fights shown ffs


PBC had a legit chance to change the game, and blow up the whole industry, but instead they kept the status quo of boxing and just moved channels.


Boxing on network tv was supposed to slowly bring boxing back to the mainstream like it was for 100 years til the late 90s


like i said before, great idea, poor execution

1. Well surely it doesn't help when you have promoters and writers that strategically make propaganda against PBC...

2. PBC is a brand, it's not a promotional company. Haymon reserves the right to advise a pool of boxers whom themselves are either not exclusive to a promotional team or have deals with promoters. A DiBella show is a Dibella show for example...

3. To compare a CBS Sports inclusive infrastructure that includes mainstream and network cable (Showtime) isn't even comparable to HBO or ESPN. Its a different structure. It's obvious CBS Sports is more dynamic with boxing than anybody else in the game.

4. The status quo was exclusively HBO or Showtime as the premier en****** in North America. PBC came along, and it disrupted the status quo (doe to only benefit Showtime - CBS), all while Haymon was still criticized before 2015... and NBC was still showing fights before any concept of PBC was around. Haymon showed his strategy to CBS Sports and this corporation was always in a win win situation.

5. Keith Thurman is just one many great American fighters under PBC. People need to realize all metrics for PBC fighters is owned by CBS Sports, be it mainstream or network Showtime.

6. Boxing is a business, Carlito!

[Scipio2009]

I guess only time will tell, there’s a whole lot of uncertainty regarding what PBC/Haymon does in the future. I hope it succeeds cause the more competition in boxing and more boxing on TV the better IMO.
However I am doubtful PBC is around all that much longer. I expect Haymon to stick around and still be a big player on Showtime, but the whole PBC concept seems to be becoming less relevant year after year.

We'll just have to wait and see then.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

How is it that Thurman had done bigger numbers since those three years?

Then how come nobody is willing ron pay Pbc?



You think he is a huge draw, yet network wallets say otherwise.

[LITTLE JOE]

I'm glad PBC tried and was somewhat hopeful but the cold hard truth is that boxing will never regain the heights of popularity it enjoyed which ended in the 90's in the USA. The PBC ratings were not good and is that really a surprise ?
The casual fans no longer know who boxers are anymore and could care less hence the low ratings. Plus throw in the fact we aren't watching just 4 networks anymore like years ago. There is way more competition of what to watch anymore.When boxing decided to throw the casual fanbase to the curb starting in the early 90's by pulling their fights from free network TV in favor of putting any fight of significance on pay per view, that proved to seal the deal on this sport. It made very few rich. It also lost it's appeal to the casual fanbase that every sport needs to flourish.
Face it. Sadly boxing's base is almost completely the hardcore fans now. Oh sure you will have an anomoly every once in awhile like Mayweather vs Pacquio or Mayweather vs MacGregor. Those fights drew in the casual fan. No recognition = low ratings. Bottom line.

[USMCer]

The reluctance to match their best talent against one another for so long is what hurt them. It was only last year they were forced to start putting on more competitive bouts and less mismatches. They lost half a billion in three years and if it wasn't for those Mayweather fights they would have been bankrupt long ago.

Waat...

Source?

[IMDAZED]

Then how come nobody is willing ron pay Pbc?



You think he is a huge draw, yet network wallets say otherwise.

You and your strawman.

You said his drawing power has diminished over the past three years. The numbers say the exact opposite.

Are you so pigheaded that you can’t admit being wrong?

[IMDAZED]

Waat...

Source?

His source? A smelly, dark place covered in short and curly hairs.

[Boxing Scene]

PBC makes mediocre fighters rich fighting each other or subpar competition. Cherry Garcia and Chickenson are prime examples of how PBC has contributed to ruining boxing with mismatches and overpaid fighters.

Garcia Rios should not be allowed to happen. Period.