Was PBC a Complete Waste of Time?

[R_Walken]

Great idea


Very poorly executed,,

Very very poor



3 years and nothing to show for it..

Wilder, Stevenson, Thurman are basically in the same spot they were 3 years ago when it started

Typical loser fan talk

Before the PBC Thurman Notable fights were Diaz & Bundu since the PBC he's fought Guerrero , Porter & Garcia and all those fights were the most or second most viewed fights for the year and the fights against Porter & Garcia were against 2 prime WW. Now every fan anticipating the eventual Thurman / Spence fight for 3 straps and #1 WW crown and if on a network will again do great #s , but yeah his profile hasn't grown and he's in the same spot

Before The PBC Wilder had 1 big fight with Bermane. Since the PBC started he's also year after year been in the most viewed fights and has put himself in position for the AJ fight to get all 4 straps. His social media profile during this time has expanded about 10x but yeah he's also in the same spot he was 3 years ago

Stevenson is just holding onto the strap so it's whatever he's a old man so it is what it is . But a bunch of other fighters have increased their profile and had more people watch them under PBC like Spence , Porter , Charlos , LSC , D Garcia , Mikey Garcia and a bunch of others

Go back to the Lounge with the other dumpster babies
and stick with the Trump support threads

The fact that you have that scrub Genrick agreeing with you should tell you something

Not to mention Lara, Charlo sisters, etc.
They wasted a lot of time marinating fights.

Another garbage post from a garbage poster

[killakali]

Santa Cruz wanted a tune-up, so he got a tune-up, with Mares following suit; Santa Cruz vs Mares 2 is now basically set, with Schaefer looking for a date with Staples Center and Showtime buying the fight.

Figueroa Jr was coming off of a 20-month layoff, at a weight he was debuting at, and picked a name welterweight who'd been known for his durability (Figueroa Jr was the first fighter to stop him).

Marcus Browne vs Sean Monaghan was basically a matchup between the top two American prospects at 175lbs; if you want to call that a **** fight, that's on you.

Victor Ortiz and Deven Alexander, at this point in time, are basically in similar places in their career, with Ortiz trying to prove that there's still fight in him and Alexander trying to prove that he's finally ready to be a top-level fighter again. Anyway you slice it, the fight, on paper, is competitive (Alexander isn't going to show up and just bomb on Ortiz).

In the grand scheme of things with Rogelio 'Porky' Medina, there's a pretty good gauge of where he is (debuted at 17, loss to Gilberto Ramirez and Yori Boy Campos before his 22nd birthday, got throttled by Badou Jack, but basically hung tough with everyone that he was put in with before getting blitzed by David Benevidez); not a world champion, but basically a guy that only championship-level fighters beat. If Caleb Plant, at all of 16-0 but a fighter that looks to have the goods, can come in an utter you wreck Medina, he'd be confirmed as a fighter ready to challenge at the world level.

30 FS1 dates is my prediction for a full year of the deal; this year being what it is, that likely won't happen.

1 FOX card every quarter, with 2 FS1 cards a month (more dates for the summer).

tbere weren’t 4 fox cards last year. Seanie Monaghan was 33 years old. Stop it. He wasn’t a prospect. Alexander and Ortiz are his beens. U know it I know. Guerrero was shot and the Peralta fight proved it. He retired after Figueroa. Don’t act like those were good fights. Santa Cruz fight a month AFTER Mares and Mares didn’t need a tune up. Regardless they were shiet matchups. Stop spinning and making excuses.

[Scipio2009]

He effectively had the Showtime budget prior to PBC though.
It was always going to be a loss leading strategy in order to establish dominance in the boxing market but Haymon has failed to gain any sort of dominance. He’s/they’ve spent a lot of money and not had much of it back. Not yet anyway. They’ve also lost a lot of network backing in ESPN, NBC etc.
I agree there are other revenue streams, but as an outsider looking in the PBC business model looks very flawed.

Showtime increased the money that they're willing to spend on boxing, significantly from when the PBC effort started.

If Haymon does end up with a deal for their "feeder fights" (no different than the UFC's bifurcated deal, Showtime/CBS is the premium content deal for PBC, while a network deal helps deliver good fights to the public that can get paid off on free TV, but the biggest fights would still go to Showtime, who have not felt the need to push PPV if not absolutely necessary to deliver the fight).

Once the initial deal gets done, networks will monitor what the numbers look like and gauge the value of a focused content folder delivering competitive fights to FS1 with really good fights with name fighters on FOX.

Excluding the seeming 20-25 top cards that Showtime/CBS seems set to be buyers of for the foreseeable future (everything short of Wilder-Joshua, Wilder-Joshua 2, Thurman-Spence to unify the WBC/WBA/IBF belts, and fights for the undisputed heavyweight championship in the US, should be able to be financed for Showtime or CBS), Haymon is basically positioned to deliver 50 first-run live sporting events to any broadcaster looking for content (FOX/FS1, NBC/NBCSN, and possibly CBS Sports Network all need content).

A long game here, but there's a method that one can see to the effort; NBC just paid $1b for a 6-year deal for the EPL, with that number likely going up significantly in the next round of talks.

The deal starts at $100m a year (I doubt that PBC will want to sign a ten-year deal to start, and I doubt a broadcaster won't want to sign for less than 4 years of commitment), and Haymon makes the sister channel instantly something that fans have to tune in to (who then have the opportunity to follow the other content being put on the sister channel, giving some folks a reason to tune in when the fights aren't on)

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Typical loser fan talk

Before the PBC Thurman Notable fights were Diaz & Bundu since the PBC he's fought Guerrero , Porter & Garcia and all those fights were the most or second most viewed fights for the year and the fights against Porter & Garcia were against 2 prime WW. Now every fan anticipating the eventual Thurman / Spence fight for 3 straps and #1 WW crown and if on a network will again do great #s , but yeah his profile hasn't grown and he's in the same spot

Before The PBC Wilder had 1 big fight with Bermane. Since the PBC started he's also year after year been in the most viewed fights and has put himself in position for the AJ fight to get all 4 straps. His social media profile during this time has expanded about 10x but yeah he's also in the same spot he was 3 years ago

Stevenson is just holding onto the strap so it's whatever he's a old man so it is what it is . But a bunch of other fighters have increased their profile and had more people watch them under PBC like Spence , Porter , Charlos , LSC , D Garcia , Mikey Garcia and a bunch of others

Go back to the Lounge with the other dumpster babies
and stick with the Trump support threads

The fact that you have that scrub Genrick agreeing with you should tell you something



Another garbage post from a garbage poster

Your a known and proven idiot..


How many ppvs does Thurman or wilder get.. is it more than if they were on showtime or hbo.

3 years ago, Thurman was a big name that don’t hit stardom to headline a ppv.. same with wilder

Fast forward 3 years, with all this Pbc exposure and they still can’t headline a ppv..

Thurman v Spence, and Garcia, and porter. Couldn’t carry a ppv


Wilder vs Ortiz,,, won’t carry a ppv.



So yes they are exactly where they were 3 years ago. Big enough stars to be known by boxing fans, but not even remotely known to casuals and the ppv audience.


Floyd never fought on network tv and got 300k+ ppv buys fighting journeymen before he was a “superstar”. Wilder, Spence, and Thurman, and Garcia, and Stevenson can only dream about 5hose numbers

[Strategic1]

No...it has given us free fights and good fights.. can't complain.. also ESPN's deal and forcing other networks to be more competitive is a good thing.

It just needs to evolve. The pay model to boxers needs to adjust and they need to incentivize boxers to be more active.

[Strategic1]

These models will always be limited if these promoters dont work together much.

Sad..

[IMDAZED]

Your a known and proven idiot..


How many ppvs does Thurman or wilder get.. is it more than if they were on showtime or hbo.

3 years ago, Thurman was a big name that don’t hit stardom to headline a ppv.. same with wilder

Fast forward 3 years, with all this Pbc exposure and they still can’t headline a ppv..

Thurman v Spence, and Garcia, and porter. Couldn’t carry a ppv


Wilder vs Ortiz,,, won’t carry a ppv.



So yes they are exactly where they were 3 years ago. Big enough stars to be known by boxing fans, but not even remotely known to casuals and the ppv audience.


Floyd never fought on network tv and got 300k+ ppv buys fighting journeymen before he was a “superstar”. Wilder, Spence, and Thurman, and Garcia, and Stevenson can only dream about 5hose numbers

How is it that Thurman had done bigger numbers since those three years?

[Larry the boss]

waste of time??? NO!!! It helped expose boxing and that is never a waste of time

[Sugar Adam Ali]

How is it that Thurman had done bigger numbers since those three years?

1. He should do much bigger numbers on tv than on premium cable.

2. How many ppvs has he headlined? Garcia, Porter, and now Spence. How many big network fights does Thurman and Pbc need to turn him into a major draw.

3. If Thurman and Pbc doing big numbers then why no tv deal after 3 years. How long does it take to prove a concept?

[BWC]

Nah, theyre still on Fox, and id guess Wilder Ortiz will be on CBS. PBC still going strong