5 best heavyweights post Ali (78-) & can anyone current crack it?

[Mr Objecitivity]

Clearly a punch.

I never claimed it wasn't a 'punch'.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Im a Vlitali fan. And lewis ****ed his eye up fair and square. The glove scraping bull**** needs to stop its been like 15 years lol

1) Being a fan has nothing to do with this. What I've provided are facts that have no relevance to being a fan but to being objective.

2) If by 'fair and square', you mean by using a move that is illegal and against the rules, then so be it! Doesn't change the fact that Lewis performed an illegal move (maybe accidentally or maybe purposely).

3) Facts never stop. Be it 15 years or longer. Whether you decide to reject the evidence or not, is entirely your personal decision.

[Mr Objecitivity]

um no, the cause of the injury was vitali on this rare occasion actually fighting someone really good.

Or, note how he never gets cut so in any of his other fights against middlers.

The odds against your call are astronomical. do the math dude, its been 15 years.

um no, the cause of the injury was vitali on this rare occasion actually fighting someone really good.

Yet, Lennox Lewis wasn't good enough to beat Vitali Klitschko without needing:

1) A premature stoppage from the referee.

2) An illegal move to cause the stoppage.

So I guess Lennox Lewis wasn't 'good enough'! Lennox Lewis also wasn't good enough to give Vitali Klitschko a well deserved rematch after Vitali became his mandatory. Since he ducked Vitali like a coward by retiring. At least Hasim Rahman gave Lennox Lewis a rematch like a real champion and a man. Something Lennox Lewis failed / refused to do.

Or, note how he never gets cut so in any of his other fights against middlers.

Or note how Lennox Lewis has never won any other bout in his pro boxer career against any other opponent by a similar type of stoppage where he injured his other opponent's eyes in a similar manner. Ergo, what Lennox Lewis did to Vitali Klitschko's eye can mainly be attributed to luck and not much on skill. Otherwise, he would've had plenty more victories in a similar manner by winning via a similar type of stoppage and by inflicting a similar type of damage / upon his other opponents.

The odds against your call are astronomical. do the math dude, its been 15 years.

The odds are, Lennox Lewis hit the jackpot and got a lucky draw in a one in a thousand type of odd. Since he almost never won any other bout in a similar manner against any other opponent and would've been unlikely to win again in that manner, had he fought 10 more bouts against Vitali Klitschko or any other opponent.

well he didnt land enough. case closed.

Except, he did land enough. What exactly is your point?

[chrisJS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtdOteT5G0Q&t=16s

That was the cause of the eye injury. Lennox Lewis clearly sc****d Vitali Klitschko's left eye with his thumb (an illegal punch). Thus, the eye damage wasn't even caused by a legal boxing move and anyone arguing that Lennox Lewis is superior or better than Vitali Klitschko because he damaged Vitali's eyes with his thumb, is using an illegal move from Lewis to prove that point. Which means Lewis only proved that he was 'superior' and 'better' at using illegal moves to win bouts.

I'll have a look later when I'm off work it's been about 10 years or so since I last watched that fight but I remember it looking clean. It's very difficult to open a cut with a thumb on a Boxing glove without using a great deal of force though so I'm not sure how that could happen but I'll have a look later.

It's also worth noting that Lewis was already declining by then. Once Lewis became undisputed his goal was Tyson and once that happened I don't think he was really into the rigors of training anymore. Lewis probably peaked in 1999/2000.

Vitali never unified and his level of opposition was too weak IMO for him to be elevated above Lewis even though he gave him hell and perhaps could have won a return. Having said that Lewis was great in re-matches specially when he felt he had a point to prove.

[DreamFighter]

Yet, Lennox Lewis wasn't good enough to beat Vitali Klitschko without needing:

1) A premature stoppage from the referee.

2) An illegal move to cause the stoppage.

So I guess Lennox Lewis wasn't 'good enough'! Lennox Lewis also wasn't good enough to give Vitali Klitschko a well deserved rematch after Vitali became his mandatory. Since he ducked Vitali like a coward by retiring. At least Hasim Rahman gave Lennox Lewis a rematch like a real champion and a man. Something Lennox Lewis failed / refused to do.



Or note how Lennox Lewis has never won any other bout in his pro boxer career against any other opponent by a similar type of stoppage where he injured his other opponent's eyes in a similar manner. Ergo, what Lennox Lewis did to Vitali Klitschko's eye can mainly be attributed to luck and not much on skill. Otherwise, he would've had plenty more victories in a similar manner by winning via a similar type of stoppage and by inflicting a similar type of damage / upon his other opponents.



The odds are, Lennox Lewis hit the jackpot and got a lucky draw in a one in a thousand type of odd. Since he almost never won any other bout in a similar manner against any other opponent and would've been unlikely to win again in that manner, had he fought 10 more bouts against Vitali Klitschko or any other opponent.



Except, he did land enough. What exactly is your point?

my point is your lies do not prove tko6 didnt happen. so shh.

[RussB23]

1) Being a fan has nothing to do with this. What I've provided are facts that have no relevance to being a fan but to being objective.

2) If by 'fair and square', you mean by using a move that is illegal and against the rules, then so be it! Doesn't change the fact that Lewis performed an illegal move (maybe accidentally or maybe purposely).

3) Facts never stop. Be it 15 years or longer. Whether you decide to reject the evidence or not, is entirely your personal decision.

He cut him with a punch. There is video of it actually posted in this thread.

[Mr Objecitivity]

He cut him with a punch. There is video of it actually posted in this thread.

Yes, an illegal punch caused the cut. I provided the evidence to back this up. Now whether you choose to accept it or reject it is entirely up to you.

[Mr Objecitivity]

my point is your lies do not prove tko6 didnt happen. so shh.

my point is your lies

What lies?

do not prove tko6 didnt happen.

Yes, Lennox Lewis TKO 6 Vitali Klitschko did happen. I never claimed it didn't. But what exactly is your point with that occurrence? What exactly are you trying to prove?

There are other FACTUAL things that also happened:

1) Vitali Klitschko forced Lennox Lewis to retire which >>> TKO 6.

2) Vitali Klitschko became the mandatory challenger to Lennox Lewis's title after their bout and Lewis blatantly, shamefully and disgracefully ducked the rematch like the inferior and non-confident boxer that he was. Despite the fact that it would've been a HUGE payday for Lennox Lewis.

3) Vitali Klitschko was ahead on the scorecards and Lennox Lewis required an illegal punch to get the TKO victory.

[Mr Objecitivity]

I'll have a look later when I'm off work it's been about 10 years or so since I last watched that fight but I remember it looking clean. It's very difficult to open a cut with a thumb on a Boxing glove without using a great deal of force though so I'm not sure how that could happen but I'll have a look later.

It's also worth noting that Lewis was already declining by then. Once Lewis became undisputed his goal was Tyson and once that happened I don't think he was really into the rigors of training anymore. Lewis probably peaked in 1999/2000.

Vitali never unified and his level of opposition was too weak IMO for him to be elevated above Lewis even though he gave him hell and perhaps could have won a return. Having said that Lewis was great in re-matches specially when he felt he had a point to prove.

- The eyes are a very fragile area of the human body as it is. This is further exacerbated when the eyes are already damaged. Thus, if someone were to sc**** their thumb on an already damaged eye (but not damaged enough for a bout to be stopped), then it will have even dire consequences. So this is why the scraping of Lewis's thumb had the effect that it did on Vitali Klitschko's eye. And I've suffered similar damage too in the past in boxing on occasions when my opponents sc****d their thumb on my eyes.

- I agree and would rank Lennox Lewis slightly ahead of Vitali Klitschko in the accomplishments ranking, based on the things you've already mentioned. Such as Vitali Klitschko not unifying and not having as many top quality wins as Lennox Lewis did against more top level opposition / better level of opposition.

- However, I personally rank Vitali Klitschko number 1 in the head to head rankings. Simply because he appears to have a nightmare style for pretty much any heavyweight by possessing ATG punch resistance, punch power, physical strength, awkwardness and etc. I don't think Vitali Klitschko has ever been down on the scorecards in any bout and all of his losses came from physical injury, rather than his opponents comprehensively beating him or proving they are clearly the better boxer than him.

[DreamFighter]

What lies?

where to start? an "illegal punch caused the cut"!?


course, these illegal punches ONLY happen on the one occasion that vitali steps up for someone really good.

sour g****s mate.

1) Vitali Klitschko forced Lennox Lewis to retire which >>> TKO 6.

and for your next lie... lewis retired at the right time, at 38. if you tihnk this was early, then you have to argue your case that all the other champs throughout hw history before lewis should also have carried on to 38.

begin your argument on that NOW, or stop being silly. its been 15 long years for goodness sake.