5 best heavyweights post Ali (78-) & can anyone current crack it?

[Elroy The Great]

lennox
holy
k2
bowe
tua

the above prime mugs would kill these hw's.

[soul_survivor]

Since Ali retired after the Spinks re-match who do you all see as the best heavyweights in time since (1978-)

I'd personally go

1. Holmes
2. Holyfield
3. Lewis
4. Tyson
5. Wlad Klit

I think Vitali could have been #4 or 5 had he not retired at his peak since he was probably better than his brother. Rid**** Bowe probably had the ability to be top 3 but obviously falls short of the 5 and I think Ibeabuchi may have been the best of the 21st century had he not gone off the rails.

Do any of the current crop have a chance of breaking the top 5 or even 3? And if so, what would they have to do?

I'd probably change 1 and 2 but yeah, I agree completely.

AJ could crack that list if he remains champ for a long time, much like Wlad/Lewis, it would be based on longevity and not necessarily quality.

[Mr Objecitivity]

where to start? an "illegal punch caused the cut"!?


course, these illegal punches ONLY happen on the one occasion that vitali steps up for someone really good.

sour g****s mate.


and for your next lie... lewis retired at the right time, at 38. if you tihnk this was early, then you have to argue your case that all the other champs throughout hw history before lewis should also have carried on to 38.

begin your argument on that NOW, or stop being silly. its been 15 long years for goodness sake.

where to start? an "illegal punch caused the cut"!?

I've provided the video to prove that such was the case. Ergo, it's not a lie but a FACT. Whether you decide to believe or reject that fact is entirely your own personal decision.

course, these illegal punches ONLY happen on the one occasion that vitali steps up for someone really good.

No, it's the other way around. Illegal punches MAINLY happen when Lennox Lewis steps up in competition to face one of his only few opponents his own size that is also around his skill level. Otherwise, why hasn't he ever won any of his other bouts in his 40+ pro boxing career by inflicting a similar type of bout ending damage / injury on any of his other opponents? Why wasn't his other 40+ opponents injured on their eyes, the way Vitali Klitschko was? Or perhaps it was one in a million type of punch that he was lucky to land on Vitali Klitschko on that night and wouldn't have been able to replicate that same punch had he fought Vitali Klitschko in a rematch again or any other opponent 10 more times? That seems like the more plausible explanation.

and for your next lie... lewis retired at the right time, at 38. if you tihnk this was early, then you have to argue your case that all the other champs throughout hw history before lewis should also have carried on to 38.

I haven't got any problems with a boxer retiring around the age of 40. I have a problem with Lennox Lewis claiming he is like a fine whine that gets better with age. And then not proving that such is the case.

I also have a problem with Lennox Lewis claiming that he could eat either Klitschko for breakfast and lunch. And then not beating either of them by the same fashion that he claimed he would. Instead, beating one of the Klitschkos with one in a million type of punch. I.E. winning unconvincingly and luckily.

Other heavyweights weren't claiming they get better with age like a fine whine. Lennox Lewis did. Ergo, don't blame me for holding him to the standard that he set for himself. I'm not holding other heavyweights to that same standard because they weren't making those claims that Lennox Lewis did.

Also, whether you're 38 years of age or not. If you retire with a mandatory hanging who you failed to beat the first time decisively without luck and without an extremely low percentage event occurring. You are going to receive justifiable criticism.

Vitali Klitschko was also 38 years old but was still beating his mandatories and doing much better than Lennox Lewis did at the same age. He didn't retire like a coward by ducking one of his mandatories. He actually cleaned up the division at the time he retired.

[DreamFighter]

I've provided the video to prove that such was the case. Ergo, it's not a lie but a FACT.

its a fact that you are lying about the video of a legal punch.

No, it's the other way around. Illegal punches MAINLY happen when Lennox Lewis steps up in competition to face one of his only few opponents

so wheres his cutting of these lrage world class opponents other than vits? why didnt you klist them seeing as this list is so numerous for you?
yeh thought so, theres none on it.

his own size that is also around his skill level. Otherwise, why hasn't he ever won any of his other bouts in his 40+ pro boxing career by inflicting a similar type of bout ending damage / injury on any of his other opponents?

now u ar claiming the list you just claimed existed, doesnt actually exist. r u for real?

Why wasn't his other 40+ opponents injured on their eyes, the way Vitali Klitschko was? Or perhaps it was one in a million type of punch

sure cos vitali was light years ahead of everyone else lewis fought! haha!

I haven't got any problems with a boxer retiring around the age of 40.

you havent here.

I have a problem with Lennox Lewis claiming he is like a fine whine that gets better with age. And then not proving that such is the case.

so NOW in tha same paragraph u do have a problem with it! u r a madman!!

I also have a problem with Lennox Lewis claiming that he could eat either Klitschko for breakfast and lunch.

6 rounds is about 20 minutes, easily do able before brekfast.


And then not beating either of them by the same fashion that he claimed he would. Instead, beating one of the Klitschkos with one in a million type of punch. I.E. winning unconvincingly and luckily.

Other heavyweights weren't claiming they get better with age like a fine whine. Lennox Lewis did. Ergo, don't blame me for holding him to the standard that he set for himself. I'm not holding other heavyweights to that same standard because they weren't making those claims that Lennox Lewis did.

why? is lewis an alien from another planet, or is he a human being of the human race?
let me know if he is human or not, should he be judged by standards of humans.

Also, whether you're 38 years of age or not. If you retire with a mandatory hanging who you failed to beat the first time

he DID beat hi muppet, tko6.

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Vitali Klitschko was also 38 years old but was still beating his mandatories and doing much better than Lennox Lewis did at the same age.
He cleaned up the division before he retired

its nice that you think maneul charr and derek chisora are as good as vitali klitschko, and constitutes "cleaning up the division".

u said it ,not me.

now - proof that ALL the HW champs in lewis history were wrong to be retired from the title by 38.
GET A MOVE ON.

[Mr Objecitivity]

its a fact that you are lying about the video of a legal punch.

so wheres his cutting of these lrage world class opponents other than vits? why didnt you klist them seeing as this list is so numerous for you?
yeh thought so, theres none on it.




now u ar claiming the list you just claimed existed, doesnt actually exist. r u for real?



sure cos vitali was light years ahead of everyone else lewis fought! haha!


you havent here.
so NOW in tha same paragraph u do have a problem with it! u r a madman!!



6 rounds is about 20 minutes, easily do able before brekfast.


And then not beating either of them by the same fashion that he claimed he would. Instead, beating one of the Klitschkos with one in a million type of punch. I.E. winning unconvincingly and luckily.

why? is lewis an alien from another planet, or is he a human being of the human race?
let me know if he is human or not, should he be judged by standards of humans.

he DID beat hi muppet, tko6.

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its nice that you think maneul charr and derek chisora are as good as vitali klitschko, and constitutes "cleaning up the division".

u said it ,not me.

now - proof that ALL the HW champs in lewis history were wrong to be retired from the title by 38.
GET A MOVE ON.

its a fact that you are lying about the video of a legal punch.

No, it's not a lie. That punch was 'illegal', according to the rules of boxing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquess_of_Queensberry_Rules#Other_rules

Boxers are prohibited from striking with any part of the arm other than the knuckles of a closed fist.

So let's sum this up logically:

1) Striking (inflicting damage) with any other part of the body, except the knuckle part of the gloves is illegal.

2) Lennox Lewis struck Vitali Klitschko's eye and inflicted damage using the thumb of his gloves and not the knuckle part of the gloves.

3) Ergo, Lennox Lewis used an illegal strike / move to inflict the bout ending injury / damage upon Vitali Klitschko's body (eye).

so wheres his cutting of these lrage world class opponents other than vits? why didnt you klist them seeing as this list is so numerous for you?
yeh thought so, theres none on it.

Can you read? Or can you comprehend properly what you read?I wrote: One of his only few opponents

What do those words 'One' and 'few' mean? How do those words and that sentence indicate that I was implying there is a big list of world class opponents Lennox Lewis faced that were his own size other than Vitali Klitschko?

I never claimed Lennox Lewis faced a big list of world class opponents the size of Vitali Klitschko or himself. Ergo, you've committed a straw man fallacy!

now u ar claiming the list you just claimed existed, doesnt actually exist. r u for real?

I asked you a simple question: Why didn't Lennox Lewis win any of his other boxing bouts against any other opponent the way he did against Vitali Klitschko by injuring his other opponents the same way and in their same body area (eye)?

The list of Lennox Lewis's other 40+ opponents are available on this web page:

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/1853

sure cos vitali was light years ahead of everyone else lewis fought! haha!

Vitali Klitschko has a better heavyweight record than anybody else Lennox Lewis has fought. That much is a fact!

However, how does Vitali Klitschko's abilities have any relevance to Lennox Lewis landing a punch that he has never landed before in any of his other opponents that he landed on Vitali Klitschko?

you havent here.

so NOW in tha same paragraph u do have a problem with it! u r a madman!!

Let me try and make this a little easier to comprehend:

1) I haven't got a problem with a boxer who is around the age of 40, that doesn't claim: 'I get better with age and I am like a fine whine'. If they retire around that age.

2) I have got a problem with a boxer who claims: "I am like a fine whine that gets better with age". If they don't prove their own words by retiring below the age of 40 with a mandatory hanging and not showing how good they are at an older age.

Don't blame me here! Lennox Lewis set that standard for himself and I am merely holding him to the standard that he himself set.

6 rounds is about 20 minutes, easily do able before brekfast.

Winning via:

1) Being behind on the score cards.

2) A low percentage (lucky) punch that one has never landed before.

Is not, by my definition, eating someone for 'breakfast'. If Lennox Lewis were to KO Vitali Klitschko with Vitali on the canvas, down for the 10 count or knocked out unconscious, then that'd be 'eating someone for breakfast'.

If anything, Lennox Lewis's most powerful punch was eaten by Vitali Klitschko for breakfast. So in other words, it was Vitali who ate Lennox Lewis like he was nothing. Lennox Lewis didn't beat Vitali Klitschko and prove he was superior. He won via a premature stoppage =/= superiority.

why? is lewis an alien from another planet, or is he a human being of the human race?
let me know if he is human or not, should he be judged by standards of humans.

Why? Because I just explained. Because Lennox Lewis himself set a specific standard for himself (he gets better with age) and I am holding him to the standard that he himself set for himself.

Not all humans are the same. He doesn't have to be an alien from a different planet to be different from other humans. In this case, performing differently at an older age.

He should be judged by the standards he set for himself. Other humans (boxers) didn't set the standard for themselves which Lennox Lewis did.

its nice that you think maneul charr and derek chisora are as good as vitali klitschko, and constitutes "cleaning up the division".

It doesn't matter what I or you 'think' subjectively. What matters are facts and facts are: Vitali Klitschko didn't retire like a coward with a mandatory challenger hanging and without cleaning up the division. Lennox Lewis did. Ergo, Vitali Klitschko proved to be the proper and the real champion. Whilst Lennox Lewis proved to be the inferior champion.

now - proof that ALL the HW champs in lewis history were wrong to be retired from the title by 38.
GET A MOVE ON.

That statement is grammatically incorrect and incoherent. Therefore, I don't understand what you mean by that statement. Therefore, I can't offer a response to that statement.

[N/A]

HW division is a wasteland. after wilder vs AJ there is nothing left.

Wilder vs AJ likely turns into a trilogy.

AJ vs Fury is a huge fight, as is Fury vs Wilder.

Wilder vs King Kong is a big fight, as is Joshua vs King Kong.

Joshua vs Haye would be huge, or Bellew if he beats Haye again.

Joshua vs Povetkin is a big fight as well.

Plenty of options.

[DreamFighter]

No, it's not a lie. That punch was 'illegal', according to the rules of boxing.

noone said wikipeida is lying, so good luck with quoting it, no sense in you doing that!

I said u lied about the video evidence. stop sidetracking. dont run away next time, answer the post u r given ty.

Can you read? Or can you comprehend properly what you read?I wrote: One of his only few opponents

What do those words 'One' and 'few' mean?

SO... what you are claiming that this one off with vitali is what ALWAYS HAPPENS when lewis faced someone big. It ALWAYS would happen, but you also claim that it didnt happen, only with vitali! Zero evidence of your claim that soemthing would always happen to lewis? Zero evidence is such Great evidence, meathead.

Lets look at the real evidence - here is a list of his big opponents -

tyrell biggs, world class, stopped in 3
Derek Williams, euroclass, stopped in 3
Tony Tucker, post prime, world class, MD.
Akinwade - DQ5
Golota KO1
Briggs KO5

Theres no illegal cuts here. The only cuts are the ones in your brain. MOVE ON! U HAVE FAILED IN THIS ARGUMENT THAT LEWIS HAD TO CHEAT THIS WAY "BECOS VITALI WAS BIG AND GOOD".

I never claimed Lennox Lewis faced a big list of world class opponents the size of Vitali Klitschko or himself. Ergo, you've committed a straw man fallacy!

I've given you the list, and yet you appear to be harking on that the list doesnt exist. Its right above your post. Dont be deliberately ****** if thats what you are doing, everyone can see the list, except apparently you.

I asked you a simple question: Why didn't Lennox Lewis win any of his other boxing bouts against any other opponent the way he did against Vitali Klitschko by injuring his other opponents the same way and in their same body area (eye)?

you calling body parts now and stoppage styles? why didnt tyrell biggs get stopped like tyson? why didnt tyson get stopped like golota? they are all different fights. MOVE ON.

Vitali Klitschko has a better heavyweight record than anybody else Lennox Lewis has fought. That much is a fact!

its not - guys liketyson, holy, bruno had better records.

But what is fact is Vitali fought the worst lewis, worse than anyone else fought. this is fact. Vitali had the best chance in that respect and failed worse than them.

However, how does Vitali Klitschko's abilities have any relevance to Lennox Lewis landing a punch

because he didnt defend himself adequately. He went hail mary against an ATG, and paid the inevitable price.

[sunny31]

I've provided the video to prove that such was the case. Ergo, it's not a lie but a FACT. Whether you decide to believe or reject that fact is entirely your own personal decision.



No, it's the other way around. Illegal punches MAINLY happen when Lennox Lewis steps up in competition to face one of his only few opponents his own size that is also around his skill level. Otherwise, why hasn't he ever won any of his other bouts in his 40+ pro boxing career by inflicting a similar type of bout ending damage / injury on any of his other opponents? Why wasn't his other 40+ opponents injured on their eyes, the way Vitali Klitschko was? Or perhaps it was one in a million type of punch that he was lucky to land on Vitali Klitschko on that night and wouldn't have been able to replicate that same punch had he fought Vitali Klitschko in a rematch again or any other opponent 10 more times? That seems like the more plausible explanation.



I haven't got any problems with a boxer retiring around the age of 40. I have a problem with Lennox Lewis claiming he is like a fine whine that gets better with age. And then not proving that such is the case.

I also have a problem with Lennox Lewis claiming that he could eat either Klitschko for breakfast and lunch. And then not beating either of them by the same fashion that he claimed he would. Instead, beating one of the Klitschkos with one in a million type of punch. I.E. winning unconvincingly and luckily.

Other heavyweights weren't claiming they get better with age like a fine whine. Lennox Lewis did. Ergo, don't blame me for holding him to the standard that he set for himself. I'm not holding other heavyweights to that same standard because they weren't making those claims that Lennox Lewis did.

Also, whether you're 38 years of age or not. If you retire with a mandatory hanging who you failed to beat the first time decisively without luck and without an extremely low percentage event occurring. You are going to receive justifiable criticism.

Vitali Klitschko was also 38 years old but was still beating his mandatories and doing much better than Lennox Lewis did at the same age. He didn't retire like a coward by ducking one of his mandatories. He actually cleaned up the division at the time he retired.

Ergo? Where have I seen that word used before? Yet another identity?

You are the saddest, most pathetic little man I have ever come across web or reality.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Ergo? Where have I seen that word used before? Yet another identity?

You are the saddest, most pathetic little man I have ever come across web or reality.

It’s Ganstas, Juggernaut etc etc. This sad b*stard has loads of alts

[juggernaut666]

It’s Ganstas, Juggernaut etc etc. This sad b*stard has loads of alts

Quiet dumbium , delete this account !