Comments Thread For: Amir Khan Returning To The Sport, Matchroom Bound

[Scipio2009]

Again have you seen sky undercards???😭😭😭
AJ-Wilder doesn’t need anything of note on the undercard to help sell in the UK. Do you honestly think Hearn will pay millions to make Khan-Brook when it’s not needed. Get real man. That would be a separate event on a separate date because both are big box office in the UK and Hearn being the cash grabbing c*nt he is would want to maximise the financial earning potential. It’s common sense, wake up man. Your idea of Khan-Brook and AJ-Wilder being part of the same event is absolutely ludicrous.

If Wilder-Joshua happens at T-Mobile Arena, Eddie Hearn is not going to let a $10m UK gate simply vanish.

He's going to get as big a fight as he can in the UK, and talk to Joshua's camp to see if there's any flexibility on the Box Office take (given the choice to sell just the undisputed heavyweight championship fight at 2am local time, or selling what is basically a double card [the full Khan-Brook card, plus the full show under Wilder-Joshua], I believe Joshua is sharp enough to come to a deal).

Even though he's a star, Joshua-Wilder at 2am, as a standalone event with the televised undercard starting at midnight, leaves a lot of money on the table.

Khan-Brook seems to be a really big fight in the UK, but I doubt that it captures the imagination of the British public like Joshua-Klitschko did (or even Froch-Groves 2), and the US interest would be so-so (no welterweight title on the line, winner isn't really viable for the other champions before they settle, 154 is settling as well, have already seen the spectacle of large crowds, etc).

Don't have the actual numbers to look at, but I imagine that one fee to Sky Sports for Khan and Joshua on a big event for all boxing fans, near sellout of 80k in Wembley, and a bump in the value of Khan-Brook with Wilder-Joshua, etc, financially speaking, would work out better than paying Sky Sports for a catchweight fight between Khan and Brook, paying Sky Sports for a Joshua fight at 2am, and then getting less from Showtime for a standalone event in the afternoon featuring a UK grudge match.

You figure the separate press tours (rather than having the press tours overlap), separate marketing costs, etc, and it's a blessing to him that his father is a chartered accountant.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

If Wilder-Joshua happens at T-Mobile Arena, Eddie Hearn is not going to let a $10m UK gate simply vanish.

He's going to get as big a fight as he can in the UK, and talk to Joshua's camp to see if there's any flexibility on the Box Office take (given the choice to sell just the undisputed heavyweight championship fight at 2am local time, or selling what is basically a double card [the full Khan-Brook card, plus the full show under Wilder-Joshua], I believe Joshua is sharp enough to come to a deal).

Even though he's a star, Joshua-Wilder at 2am, as a standalone event with the televised undercard starting at midnight, leaves a lot of money on the table.

Khan-Brook seems to be a really big fight in the UK, but I doubt that it captures the imagination of the British public like Joshua-Klitschko did (or even Froch-Groves 2), and the US interest would be so-so (no welterweight title on the line, winner isn't really viable for the other champions before they settle, 154 is settling as well, have already seen the spectacle of large crowds, etc).

Don't have the actual numbers to look at, but I imagine that one fee to Sky Sports for Khan and Joshua on a big event for all boxing fans, near sellout of 80k in Wembley, and a bump in the value of Khan-Brook with Wilder-Joshua, etc, financially speaking, would work out better than paying Sky Sports for a catchweight fight between Khan and Brook, paying Sky Sports for a Joshua fight at 2am, and then getting less from Showtime for a standalone event in the afternoon featuring a UK grudge match.

You figure the separate press tours (rather than having the press tours overlap), separate marketing costs, etc, and it's a blessing to him that his father is a chartered accountant.

Your on another planet. There’s literally zero chance Khan Brook happens as part of the same event as AJ-Klitschko. The main source of income from a fight is PPV revenue. Putting those to fights together would minimise the amount of PPV revenue you could generate cause your essentially selling people 2 PPV’s for the price of 1. Hearn/Sky would NEVER do that just look at the AJ-Wlad undercard.
It’d be like Hearn putting Brook-Spence on the same card as AJ-Wlad it makes no sense whatsoever.
It makes no sense from a financial or logical perspective and for that reason it will never happen.

[Scipio2009]

Again have you seen sky undercards???😭😭😭
AJ-Wilder doesn’t need anything of note on the undercard to help sell in the UK. Do you honestly think Hearn will pay millions to make Khan-Brook when it’s not needed. Get real man. That would be a separate event on a separate date because both are big box office in the UK and Hearn being the cash grabbing c*nt he is would want to maximise the financial earning potential. It’s common sense, wake up man. Your idea of Khan-Brook and AJ-Wilder being part of the same event is absolutely ludicrous.

Because, when you get down to it, how much money truly is going missing?

Khan-Brook is a big fight, but does it sell out Wembley within days of being announced? I think not (it likely gets close to selling out the building, but likely only comes within days of the actual fight).

Is Showtime going to pay what they pay for Joshua's fights to show Khan-Brook in the afternoon on its own? No (likely more than they paid for Davis-Walsh, but not that much not).

How well does Khan-Brook actually do on Box Office? Khan has been with Frank so long that he's only been on BoxNation (never having to sell Box Office), and the UK keeps things quiet about their PPV (Haye-Bellew would've helped give a gauge for crossover, as Haye's been off of Sky Sports for long too), so, not knowing anything, a million homes in the UK is likely a big ask for a grudge match (Bellew-Cleverly and Haye-Bellew would be great to know).

And, how well does Joshua do selling an event for 2am on Sky Box Office? Unless I'm mistaken, Floyd is the only template for US fights on Sky Box Office. Mayweather-Hatton helps set the gauge, but Mayweather-McGregor is likely the current bar (having a Brit to root for helps, but getting to Mayweather-McGregor is likely to much of an ask, tbh).

Twin the bill, and things are set to be a win for everyone involved (Khan-Brook use the heat of Joshua being on the bill to end up drawing a figure near Joshua-Klitschko instead of the likely Haye-Bellew figure, Showtime/CBS pays up to give their audience a good tease to the likely Wilder-Joshua PPV, Matchroom still gets the $10m from Wembley, and then you still get the massive bump from Vegas).

[BigStomps]

Americans and Mexican men are little pretty girls.Why have that rubbish when you can have steel,RULE BRITANNIA.You should see the amount of Mexican and American whores on this island they get taught how to handle a real man.Piss off now back to sniffing coke and sucking Canelo's toes and god forbid your Mum for opening her Mexican legs for someone like you to pop out.

That's right b-itch! Bow down to me *******! Stay your punk ass in England or I'll make you my b-itch the same way Canelo made Khan and Smith his own personal b-itches!
I'll remember to **** smack that punk ass wh-ore of a mom you have next time I lay some pipe in her for being a ****** b-itch and having your ****** ass!

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Because, when you get down to it, how much money truly is going missing?

Khan-Brook is a big fight, but does it sell out Wembley within days of being announced? I think not (it likely gets close to selling out the building, but likely only comes within days of the actual fight).

Is Showtime going to pay what they pay for Joshua's fights to show Khan-Brook in the afternoon on its own? No (likely more than they paid for Davis-Walsh, but not that much not).

How well does Khan-Brook actually do on Box Office? Khan has been with Frank so long that he's only been on BoxNation (never having to sell Box Office), and the UK keeps things quiet about their PPV (Haye-Bellew would've helped give a gauge for crossover, as Haye's been off of Sky Sports for long too), so, not knowing anything, a million homes in the UK is likely a big ask for a grudge match (Bellew-Cleverly and Haye-Bellew would be great to know).

And, how well does Joshua do selling an event for 2am on Sky Box Office? Unless I'm mistaken, Floyd is the only template for US fights on Sky Box Office. Mayweather-Hatton helps set the gauge, but Mayweather-McGregor is likely the current bar (having a Brit to root for helps, but getting to Mayweather-McGregor is likely to much of an ask, tbh).

Twin the bill, and things are set to be a win for everyone involved (Khan-Brook use the heat of Joshua being on the bill to end up drawing a figure near Joshua-Klitschko instead of the likely Haye-Bellew figure, Showtime/CBS pays up to give their audience a good tease to the likely Wilder-Joshua PPV, Matchroom still gets the $10m from Wembley, and then you still get the massive bump from Vegas).

It’s not going to happen cause it doesn’t make sense. We’re just going round in circles here

[Scipio2009]

They would need to do more than that. I doubt that is even enough to pay Wilder for a Joshua fight. They potentially need 50million pounds all round to make this fight a reality in Vegas.

Even if the number is 50 million British pounds to make everything work, Sky Box Office is going to deliver a massive nut (going off of Mayweather-Hatton and Mayweather-McGregor, 20m-30m British pounds isn't an unheard of draw), and the fight will be on SHOPPV (they're not going to draw the 4.3m homes that Mayweather-McGregor did, but if the run up is done well, and the general sports public buys into the event over the summer lull, you could end up with a million homes; pay the outside parties and you've got the equivalent of another 15m-20m British pounds), all before you count a penny of the Vegas take (no idea how aggressively the seats are priced, but Canelo was able to show that $20m is possible for a massive fight, and Floyd showed that $55m+ is possible if you want to go nuts).

The figure I put forward, from my understanding, is basically the max that Hearn seems willing to price Wembley at to sell out.

[Sir_Didymus]

Because, when you get down to it, how much money truly is going missing?

Khan-Brook is a big fight, but does it sell out Wembley within days of being announced? I think not (it likely gets close to selling out the building, but likely only comes within days of the actual fight).

Is Showtime going to pay what they pay for Joshua's fights to show Khan-Brook in the afternoon on its own? No (likely more than they paid for Davis-Walsh, but not that much not).

How well does Khan-Brook actually do on Box Office? Khan has been with Frank so long that he's only been on BoxNation (never having to sell Box Office), and the UK keeps things quiet about their PPV (Haye-Bellew would've helped give a gauge for crossover, as Haye's been off of Sky Sports for long too), so, not knowing anything, a million homes in the UK is likely a big ask for a grudge match (Bellew-Cleverly and Haye-Bellew would be great to know).

And, how well does Joshua do selling an event for 2am on Sky Box Office? Unless I'm mistaken, Floyd is the only template for US fights on Sky Box Office. Mayweather-Hatton helps set the gauge, but Mayweather-McGregor is likely the current bar (having a Brit to root for helps, but getting to Mayweather-McGregor is likely to much of an ask, tbh).

Twin the bill, and things are set to be a win for everyone involved (Khan-Brook use the heat of Joshua being on the bill to end up drawing a figure near Joshua-Klitschko instead of the likely Haye-Bellew figure, Showtime/CBS pays up to give their audience a good tease to the likely Wilder-Joshua PPV, Matchroom still gets the $10m from Wembley, and then you still get the massive bump from Vegas).

You've got it wrong. It will sell out within days.

Please do your research on how the slimy bastard Hearn does business and his shady as fùck deal with ticket resellers StubHub.

Why else do you think this acquisition of Khan is huge in the UK for all parties involved? He's THE most high profile and versatile boxer the UK has who has influence in parts of the world, including America, that the Matchroom USA team needs.

The way it works is Hearn announces a fight. Tickets are up initially for sale for a short period to Fight Pass members. The following day or two ALL TICKETS are sold to StubHub who are resellers. The tickets are NOT in the hands of fans but in the hands of a third party business. Yet this is legally allowed to be called a "sellout" which Hearn always uses. The reality is none of these fights have sold out within minutes the tickets are still on the market.

StubHub inflate the prices by huge margins see the recent cheapest £44 original price ticket for Brook vs Rabchenko to the cheapest Brook vs Rabchenko with StubHub which went up to £128 as an example.

Another example is the AJ vs Klitschko fight. There were STILL tickets available and StubHub had to give them away for FREE to disadvantaged kids. They do this to look like they have morals and have the authorities look the other way.

They also did this with the Brook vs Spence fight where there were still empty seats almost an entire stand and I was there since I'm a local yet they called it a complete sellout.

These are the shady ways Matchroom and StubHub works and most people who aren't Brits don't get it.

Then it's obvious Hearn will sell complete mismatches and protect his fighters and keep domestic rivalries at arms length if it's in-house i.e Whyte vs Joshua.

Matchroom would be more likeable if Sky Sports didn't employ complete shills who all read from the same memo.

[Tygshsu]

Even if the number is 50 million British pounds to make everything work, Sky Box Office is going to deliver a massive nut (going off of Mayweather-Hatton and Mayweather-McGregor, 20m-30m British pounds isn't an unheard of draw), and the fight will be on SHOPPV (they're not going to draw the 4.3m homes that Mayweather-McGregor did, but if the run up is done well, and the general sports public buys into the event over the summer lull, you could end up with a million homes; pay the outside parties and you've got the equivalent of another 15m-20m British pounds), all before you count a penny of the Vegas take (no idea how aggressively the seats are priced, but Canelo was able to show that $20m is possible for a massive fight, and Floyd showed that $55m+ is possible if you want to go nuts).

The figure I put forward, from my understanding, is basically the max that Hearn seems willing to price Wembley at to sell out.

Brother let me explain.Joshua-Wilder if both win against Parker and Ortiz will struggle to do more than 300K in America which is a huge flop.This is partly because you are relying on the African American demographic rather than the Mexican Americans who have no intrest in this fight.It will do the same as Ward-Kovalev.Joshua needs to be launched in America on HBO not Showtime who are increasingly biased to Wilder.Americans also cannot afford these high prices,one of my American mates told me they have to pay nearly $300 a month just for the TV and Sub.PPV is added on top of that,it's just too expensive to watch Premium Boxing.In terms of the UK at 5am in the Morning if it is a Bank Holiday Weekend it will smash or go close to 2 Million in my eyes.Wilder is very well known in the UK,trust me.

[Tygshsu]

Because, when you get down to it, how much money truly is going missing?

Khan-Brook is a big fight, but does it sell out Wembley within days of being announced? I think not (it likely gets close to selling out the building, but likely only comes within days of the actual fight).

Is Showtime going to pay what they pay for Joshua's fights to show Khan-Brook in the afternoon on its own? No (likely more than they paid for Davis-Walsh, but not that much not).

How well does Khan-Brook actually do on Box Office? Khan has been with Frank so long that he's only been on BoxNation (never having to sell Box Office), and the UK keeps things quiet about their PPV (Haye-Bellew would've helped give a gauge for crossover, as Haye's been off of Sky Sports for long too), so, not knowing anything, a million homes in the UK is likely a big ask for a grudge match (Bellew-Cleverly and Haye-Bellew would be great to know).

And, how well does Joshua do selling an event for 2am on Sky Box Office? Unless I'm mistaken, Floyd is the only template for US fights on Sky Box Office. Mayweather-Hatton helps set the gauge, but Mayweather-McGregor is likely the current bar (having a Brit to root for helps, but getting to Mayweather-McGregor is likely to much of an ask, tbh).

Twin the bill, and things are set to be a win for everyone involved (Khan-Brook use the heat of Joshua being on the bill to end up drawing a figure near Joshua-Klitschko instead of the likely Haye-Bellew figure, Showtime/CBS pays up to give their audience a good tease to the likely Wilder-Joshua PPV, Matchroom still gets the $10m from Wembley, and then you still get the massive bump from Vegas).

Showtime wont be intrested in any of these Garbage British Fights that is what they will think unless it has a World Title on the Line.Haye Bellew for example it was a meaningless money grab with no title on the line and it was put on some next channel in America.Showtime also want Joshua-Wilder as a PPV but AJ has to go to the US and fight their before meeting Wilder but he aint doing that and Hearn is getting more cosy with HBO.AJ Wilder will not happen until 2019/2020 trust me.

[Ray*]

Even if the number is 50 million British pounds to make everything work, Sky Box Office is going to deliver a massive nut (going off of Mayweather-Hatton and Mayweather-McGregor, 20m-30m British pounds isn't an unheard of draw), and the fight will be on SHOPPV (they're not going to draw the 4.3m homes that Mayweather-McGregor did, but if the run up is done well, and the general sports public buys into the event over the summer lull, you could end up with a million homes; pay the outside parties and you've got the equivalent of another 15m-20m British pounds), all before you count a penny of the Vegas take (no idea how aggressively the seats are priced, but Canelo was able to show that $20m is possible for a massive fight, and Floyd showed that $55m+ is possible if you want to go nuts).

The figure I put forward, from my understanding, is basically the max that Hearn seems willing to price Wembley at to sell out.

For this fight to happen in Vegas they would need over 50m pounds, doesn’t matter how they get it but that would be a starting point. Now maybe in England Sky can generate that for a Joshua v Wilder fight, but I doubt Vegas can... Canelo and Mayweather? Wilder or Joshua name doesn’t even come close to those two.