Comments Thread For: Amir Khan Returning To The Sport, Matchroom Bound

[Sir_Didymus]

In my eyes Brook was fine until he made that fateful descion to divert from Vargas in March 2016 to Golvokin in September 2016.He should've fought Spence then instead of later.Other British boxers have done what Khan done,Lennox Lewis,Hatton,Hamed.Khan however still has got knocked out whenever he's stepped up,Garcia,Prescott.I wont count Canelo because that was a different situation.But Khan is a wasted talent aswell,this is the difference with British and American Trainers/Coaches,British Boxers dont get taught how to defend or taught on defence at all.North Americans are brilliant at this it's what sets them apart

Actually no British boxer has ever done what Khan has done with all the venue's he's fought at across America and the amount of champions he has fought. He holds the British record of world champions faced and the record for most fights had in America by a British boxer. Hatton was destroyed when he went to America in his first outing.

Before Matchroom there was a huge discussion in Britain about British boxers being mediocre because they didn't travel across to America/N.America and fight over there regularly. So when Khan and Degale did exactly that...they still get shítted on.

Yes Khan is also someone who didn't live up to his potential and is a wasted talent but as always...not every boxer can make bank, achieve recognition for his accomplishments in boxing and retire undefeated and happy. That is extremely rare. Besides with that obviously suspect chin the kid still achieved more than most.

The point is we are discussing two boxers only and it's obvious who did more with his career.

The only British fighter that will eclipse Khan in terms of financial, sporting achievements and profile will be AJ with probably just one or two fights. Thats because there's no weight classes above HW and the way his division is shaped with one name worth going for in America (Wilder), three worth fighting in the UK where all the money is (Parker, Fury and a looming in-house deal with domestic rival...Whyte).

Josh Kelly is probably going to surpass them all if he is allowed to fight the big names early on and doesn't come unstuck. With the way Hearn is he might just turn him into another Kell Brook feeding him super bums. I hope he learns from the mistakes he made with Kell Brook. Pretty much broke him with poor match making.

[Tygshsu]

Actually no British boxer has ever done what Khan has done with all the venue's he's fought at across America and the amount of champions he has fought. He holds the British record of world champions faced and the record for most fights had in America by a British boxer. Hatton was destroyed when he went to America in his first outing.

Before Matchroom there was a huge discussion in Britain about British boxers being mediocre because they didn't travel across to America/N.America and fight over there regularly. So when Khan and Degale did exactly that...they still get shítted on.

Yes Khan is also someone who didn't live up to his potential and is a wasted talent but as always...not every boxer can make bank, achieve recognition for his accomplishments in boxing and retire undefeated and happy. That is extremely rare. Besides with that obviously suspect chin the kid still achieved more than most.

The point is we are discussing two boxers only and it's obvious who did more with his career.

The only British fighter that will eclipse Khan in terms of financial, sporting achievements and profile will be AJ with probably just one or two fights. Thats because there's no weight classes above HW and the way his division is shaped with one name worth going for in America (Wilder), three worth fighting in the UK where all the money is (Parker, Fury and a looming in-house deal with domestic rival...Whyte).

Josh Kelly is probably going to surpass them all if he is allowed to fight the big names early on and doesn't come unstuck. With the way Hearn is he might just turn him into another Kell Brook feeding him super bums. I hope he learns from the mistakes he made with Kell Brook. Pretty much broke him with poor match making.

Lennox Lewis he fought across America and won and avenged all his loses.Hatton did fight in America and win before he got swallowed up by Mayweather and Pacquaio.I go back to Khan's defence he never was taught how to defend properly and the blame goes to partly the British Boxing System they dont focus on defence which i would say is 60/40 more important than Offence as Punches to the face and head will all add up after you retire and in your Early 50's onwards you will feel the pain then.

[Sir_Didymus]

Lennox Lewis he fought across America and won and avenged all his loses.Hatton did fight in America and win before he got swallowed up by Mayweather and Pacquaio.I go back to Khan's defence he never was taught how to defend properly and the blame goes to partly the British Boxing System they dont focus on defence which i would say is 60/40 more important than Offence as Punches to the face and head will all add up after you retire and in your Early 50's onwards you will feel the pain then.

You're right about Lewis with his outings in America but even he didn't fight as many world champions as Khan. Strange but true.

On top of that till this very day you will find most British folks not even giving Lewis the credit he deserves apart from boxers and hardcore boxing fans in Britain which is truly sad to see. Why? He was only British on the passport to them.

He represented Canada at the Olympics. Not Britain. Canada. You heard that? CANADA. What a petty things to hold a grudge over.

Hatton also fought a handful of times but nowhere near as much as Khan in America. This also came about after he beat a shot Tzuyu. He didn't go there early on to test himself. He also gave the UK the biggest domestic rivalry duck of our times when he decided not to give Witter a shot. Yet he wasn't even remotely shítted on.

The only fighters that truly went to America/N.America (where even the average Latino boxer and average African American boxer is levels above anything you can find on the UK domestic scene) early on to test themselves from Britain was Degale and Khan. Just a few British boxers I actually give credit to.

Eubank Snr was an odd one since he went the opposite way. Was in America early then came back for the big fights in the UK.

So yes Khan still holds the record for most away fights and most world champions fought as a British boxer. At one point, before AJ became a World Champion, Khan had faced more World Champions than 11 of the World Champions in the UK combined. That's a fact.

Also let's be honest...

Khan has no defence. His idea of defence is using his legs which is all good and well but parrying, head movement, an effective guard, boxing IQ...these things are almost non-existant. He's a very limited fighter that relies on speed, overwhelming opponents and his half decent footwork. I hope nobody hates on me for saying that because I give Khan props but I ain't going to buy into that bullshít he's anywhere near elite level.

Thurman also fights like this believe it or not but he can ****, can take a shot (unless it's to the body) and he's always using his feet more than anything as defence as seen with Garcia. The funny thing is...Khan is one of the most unassuming and half decent sneaky body punchers at welterweight. He's dropped a few solid names going to the body.

Don't get me wrong...I still reckon Thurman will ice Khan once he tags him and he will but the reality is Khan will look good against them all until he gets tagged which is why he is value for money.

You'll be entertained, probably see him knocked out, most definitely see him engage and throw hands. His vulnerability has always made him a low risk fight but his profile and brand has always made him a high reward fight. Which is why Hearn knows his value and it's what Matchroom need right now.

I still hate the slimy bastard Hearn and StubHub but the cúnt is right when he says he's the best at what he does and that's making money and putting bums on seats using casuals.

Can't wait till Fury ends his cash cow but Hearn will probably, as usual, milk AJ for all he's worth before possibly the biggest domestic fight of them all then go on to make Josh Kelly his next PPV star and that...looks very likely.

[Tygshsu]

You're right about Lewis with his outings in America but even he didn't fight as many world champions as Khan. Strange but true.

On top of that till this very day you will find most British folks not even giving Lewis the credit he deserves apart from boxers and hardcore boxing fans in Britain which is truly sad to see. Why? He was only British on the passport to them.

He represented Canada at the Olympics. Not Britain. Canada. You heard that? CANADA. What a petty things to hold a grudge over.

Hatton also fought a handful of times but nowhere near as much as Khan in America. This also came about after he beat a shot Tzuyu. He didn't go there early on to test himself. He also gave the UK the biggest domestic rivalry duck of our times when he decided not to give Witter a shot. Yet he wasn't even remotely shítted on.

The only fighters that truly went to America/N.America (where even the average Latino boxer and average African American boxer is levels above anything you can find on the UK domestic scene) early on to test themselves from Britain was Degale and Khan. Just a few British boxers I actually give credit to.

Eubank Snr was an odd one since he went the opposite way. Was in America early then came back for the big fights in the UK.

So yes Khan still holds the record for most away fights and most world champions fought as a British boxer. At one point, before AJ became a World Champion, Khan had faced more World Champions than 11 of the World Champions in the UK combined. That's a fact.

Also let's be honest...

Khan has no defence. His idea of defence is using his legs which is all good and well but parrying, head movement, an effective guard, boxing IQ...these things are almost non-existant. He's a very limited fighter that relies on speed, overwhelming opponents and his half decent footwork. I hope nobody hates on me for saying that because I give Khan props but I ain't going to buy into that bullshít he's anywhere near elite level.

Thurman also fights like this believe it or not but he can ****, can take a shot (unless it's to the body) and he's always using his feet more than anything as defence as seen with Garcia. The funny thing is...Khan is one of the most unassuming and half decent sneaky body punchers at welterweight. He's dropped a few solid names going to the body.

Don't get me wrong...I still reckon Thurman will ice Khan once he tags him and he will but the reality is Khan will look good against them all until he gets tagged which is why he is value for money.

You'll be entertained, probably see him knocked out, most definitely see him engage and throw hands. His vulnerability has always made him a low risk fight but his profile and brand has always made him a high reward fight. Which is why Hearn knows his value and it's what Matchroom need right now.

I still hate the slimy bastard Hearn and StubHub but the cúnt is right when he says he's the best at what he does and that's making money and putting bums on seats using casuals.

Can't wait till Fury ends his cash cow but Hearn will probably, as usual, milk AJ for all he's worth before possibly the biggest domestic fight of them all then go on to make Josh Kelly his next PPV star and that...looks very likely.

I aint going to go into the Lennox Lewis Country ****.He says on a Youtube video ' i am British and i am bad'.The reason he got into Boxing also had Britain involved indirectly he was bullied by Toronto Kids for having a ****ney accent.Look at the flag he fought with when it mattered against Tyson,Holyfield,BRITAIN.Yes Hearn is a slimy bastard,when you actually go through all his PPV's their has never been a Fight where it was a clear 50/50 at their primes without having a Injury,Weightcut,fighter from another divison beforehand.I defiantly agree a Average Afro American boxer is miles better than a average Brit but that goes back to level of traning and coaches.

[Sir_Didymus]

I aint going to go into the Lennox Lewis Country ****.He says on a Youtube video ' i am British and i am bad'.The reason he got into Boxing also had Britain involved indirectly he was bullied by Toronto Kids for having a ****ney accent.Look at the flag he fought with when it mattered against Tyson,Holyfield,BRITAIN.Yes Hearn is a slimy bastard,when you actually go through all his PPV's their has never been a Fight where it was a clear 50/50 at their primes without having a Injury,Weightcut,fighter from another divison beforehand.I defiantly agree a Average Afro American boxer is miles better than a average Brit but that goes back to level of traning and coaches.

Yep. Spot on. Hearn will continue this routine until he's dominated the game entirely. He's almost there. Who else you know that works with everyone and willing to work with any network? He's got Sky, Showtime, HBO...the only promoter to do so. I mean did you see the banner behind Hearn and Khan? That should tell you what the team-up is about.

BACK TO BUSINESS

He's a very calculating man and has singlehandedly made the British boxing scene far bigger than what it was. If he continues at this rate it's a wrap for a lot of promoters.

All I want to see is Fury destroy AJ but Fury is STILL a free agent with no boxing license. Hearn will probably bid for him. Matchroom declared £22m sitting in their war chest. Could happen. Makes the payday between Fury and AJ much bigger for Fury cutting out the need for a second promoter and team. Similar to Khan vs Brook if it happens.

Dubois/Gorman destroy the rest of them from Matchroom like Allen, Chisora, Whyte etc. Yarde probably loses to Buatsi. Degale probably loses to Groves/Eubanks. Saunders has a chance against Canelo and GGG but doubt he comes through both.

Warren will be struggling for a lack of a decent marketable boxer soon unless one of these prospects of his develops a personality. Warren needs to do something about his events too they all stink and look like something out of the 90's even if the matches are a lot more evenly matched compared to Hearn.

Warren was the only realistic rival Hearn had and was very very close to signing Khan and that would have made him a legitimate rival but now...not so sure.

Meh. Rivalry is good for boxing as a sport and business.

[Tygshsu]

Yep. Spot on. Hearn will continue this routine until he's dominated the game entirely. He's almost there. Who else you know that works with everyone and willing to work with any network? He's got Sky, Showtime, HBO...the only promoter to do so. I mean did you see the banner behind Hearn and Khan? That should tell you what the team-up is about.

BACK TO BUSINESS

He's a very calculating man and has singlehandedly made the British boxing scene far bigger than what it was. If he continues at this rate it's a wrap for a lot of promoters.

All I want to see is Fury destroy AJ but Fury is STILL a free agent with no boxing license. Hearn will probably bid for him. Matchroom declared £22m sitting in their war chest. Could happen. Makes the payday between Fury and AJ much bigger for Fury cutting out the need for a second promoter and team. Similar to Khan vs Brook if it happens.

Dubois/Gorman destroy the rest of them from Matchroom like Allen, Chisora, Whyte etc. Yarde probably loses to Buatsi. Degale probably loses to Groves/Eubanks. Saunders has a chance against Canelo and GGG but doubt he comes through both.

Warren will be struggling for a lack of a decent marketable boxer soon unless one of these prospects of his develops a personality. Warren needs to do something about his events too they all stink and look like something out of the 90's even if the matches are a lot more evenly matched compared to Hearn.

Warren was the only realistic rival Hearn had and was very very close to signing Khan and that would have made him a legitimate rival but now...not so sure.

Meh. Rivalry is good for boxing as a sport and business.

He got Sky but Showtime is Mayweather's Network and HBO is Canelo and GGG.He only got Joshua and that is it so i dont know why you're getting too worried.I do like Hearn more than Warren who was worse but his PPV's,obsession with effing Katie Taylor boils me up.Joshua-Wilder is really the only fight i'm looking forward to involving a British Fighter.Hearn dominates the UK but he dont dominate the market that matters the most which is the US.That is Al Haymon/Top Rank/Golden Boy Lockdown,so relax,he will never get a Exclusive Contract with HBO/Showtime the way he does with Sky so he all right

[Scipio2009]

I didn't say Khan sold 30,000. I said Bolton stadium capacity is 30,000. Please read carefully. I also said 30,000 is nothing with Matchroom and StubHub behind him. Nothing at all and I showed why because if chumps like Bellew and Haye can do those numbers you think Khan can't with a decent name? Yeah. O...K.

Once again, read carefully. You said Bramhall lane was 10,000. I corrected you and said it was 32,000. I said Echo stadium in Liverpool is 10,000-11-000.

You're underestimating Eddie Hearn the slimy bastard. Why else do you think people don't like him? In his own words "I know the hardcore's don't like the casuals but fùck me...there's a lot of casuals and they bring the money!!".

He's also said that Khan is part of the Matchroom USA venture. Not Brook like you're dreaming of so that's another one you got wrong.

Did you just say Brook is going to face one whichever fighter emerges from Lara/Charlo/Hurd? LMFAO!! Calm down, fanboy. It's already official that Hearn and Brook have openly declared they are aiming for Sadam Ali ������

Did you also say Jacobs is "THE" attraction at middleweight on both sides of the Atlantic? O...K.

He's not. At all. Not even close. Or did you miss the numbers for his last fight? He's what you call a good undercard filler for AJ with the potential to headline against opponents like Canelo/GGG/Charlo if they get made. Saunders has obviously priced himself out already. Saying that Hearn is throwing his weight around and could potentially put up the £5m Saunders wants just so Hearn can get rid of Warren's current cash cow in waiting with GGG/Canelo wanting that belt.

He'll make bank with Khan and he knows how to milk it for everything it's worth and no, he's not going to let Khan try and ruin himself by being the dumb bastard he is wanting to face the best like Spence. He's going to pump him full of names like Broner. Beatable high profile names. With Khans vulnerabilities and suspect chin he might not even see the 3rd fight which might be either a calculated targeted title shot or Brook who has just claimed to wanting to retire before the year is out.

Call a Spade a Spade and don't let your fanboyism get in the way of logic. I will kindly ask you again to read carefully and at least go off the words of Hearn and the history of Matchroom and the shadiest deal ever with StubHub and how they actually work.

If Amir Khan could sell 30000 tickets, why isn't Matchroom Sport returning him to the UK in Bolton? Amir Khan is this massive star, he's been away from the UK for years (so there's anticipation), and Echo Arena has a third of the seats.

Sheffield Arena (I think it's called DSA Arena now) is Kell Brook's home venue, not Brammall Lane; he's fought at Brammall Lane once, while likely easily having over a half dozen fights at Sheffield Arena. Play with semantics all you want, but don't be dumb.

Haye and Bellew had a 20k-seat venue to fill, with David Haye being a "star" and Bellew showing that he had backing with the number of folks he put in at Goodison Park; a different calculus than if they were trying to finesse a 70k-seat venue.

Brook is not heading to the US, and I never said he was heading to the US; he's likely going to beat Sadam Ali were they to fight, and he'd camp in the UK, defending his WBO 154lb belt in the UK, before likely having the money backing him to bring over whomever emerges with the WBC/WBA/IBF/IBO 154lb belts (Charlo, Hurd, and Lara are all open to fighting each other, and the organizations will finesse the mandatory situations).

Brook beats Rebchenko, fights Sadam Ali for the WBO 154lb belt in the Summer (no real money fights available to Ali at 154, Brook is also a welterweight who'd moved up, Brammall Lane/Sky Box Office likely generates a large pot), and then close out the year with a catchweight fight against Amir Khan (unless the WBO tries something with the mandatory; don't know of any roofed stadiums in the UK, so that likely pushes the fight to the O2 or Manchester Arena at aggressive prices), defending his belt in the UK after that (as long as he's champ at that point, you're likely looking at Brammall Lane and Manchester Arena as the venues he'd fight in).

Brook makes his defenses of his WBO belt, and then you book the full unification for the O2 Arena in London.

Daniel Jacobs apparently has six fights with HBO; if he keeps winning, he'll get to see Golovkin again, Saunders, and Alvarez in the ring. Since Saunders wants to wait, it looks like 'Spike' O'Sullivan is next for Jacobs.

Arias last November, Spike in April, and then the likely Alvarez-Golovkin 2 loser in the Fall (Canelo wins and Golden Boy teases a third Golovkin fight, but likely chases Billy Joe; Golovkin wins and he likely tries to talk up a third Alvarez fight, but settles on fighting Billy Joe to avoid Jermall Charlo) or a guy like Martin Murray.

Fights carried on Sky Sports and HBO, the viewers will be able to follow his progress.

Jacobs strings together the 6 wins on HBO (Arias, Spike, Murray, Golovkin, Saunders, Alvarez) and he'd be firmly planted as a draw at Barclays Center, with the UK fans watching him on Sky Sports.

Eddie Hearn will find someone for Khan to fight (Eggington would've been perfect, had he not got beat and recently decided to move up to 154lbs), and if he can get Broner to come to the UK, more power to him (Broner's performance against Mikey, paired with the Porter fight, the Maidana fight, and other instances has folks not really caring to see fights from him in the US).

[Scipio2009]

I didn't say Khan sold 30,000. I said Bolton stadium capacity is 30,000. Please read carefully. I also said 30,000 is nothing with Matchroom and StubHub behind him. Nothing at all and I showed why because if chumps like Bellew and Haye can do those numbers you think Khan can't with a decent name? Yeah. O...K.

Once again, read carefully. You said Bramhall lane was 10,000. I corrected you and said it was 32,000. I said Echo stadium in Liverpool is 10,000-11-000.

You're underestimating Eddie Hearn the slimy bastard. Why else do you think people don't like him? In his own words "I know the hardcore's don't like the casuals but fùck me...there's a lot of casuals and they bring the money!!".

He's also said that Khan is part of the Matchroom USA venture. Not Brook like you're dreaming of so that's another one you got wrong.

Did you just say Brook is going to face one whichever fighter emerges from Lara/Charlo/Hurd? LMFAO!! Calm down, fanboy. It's already official that Hearn and Brook have openly declared they are aiming for Sadam Ali ������

Did you also say Jacobs is "THE" attraction at middleweight on both sides of the Atlantic? O...K.

He's not. At all. Not even close. Or did you miss the numbers for his last fight? He's what you call a good undercard filler for AJ with the potential to headline against opponents like Canelo/GGG/Charlo if they get made. Saunders has obviously priced himself out already. Saying that Hearn is throwing his weight around and could potentially put up the £5m Saunders wants just so Hearn can get rid of Warren's current cash cow in waiting with GGG/Canelo wanting that belt.

He'll make bank with Khan and he knows how to milk it for everything it's worth and no, he's not going to let Khan try and ruin himself by being the dumb bastard he is wanting to face the best like Spence. He's going to pump him full of names like Broner. Beatable high profile names. With Khans vulnerabilities and suspect chin he might not even see the 3rd fight which might be either a calculated targeted title shot or Brook who has just claimed to wanting to retire before the year is out.

Call a Spade a Spade and don't let your fanboyism get in the way of logic. I will kindly ask you again to read carefully and at least go off the words of Hearn and the history of Matchroom and the shadiest deal ever with StubHub and how they actually work.

The fact that you want to insist that StubHub is going to buy 60k face value tickets for a Khan-Brook fight at Old Trafford, when the attendance for Brook's biggest event was just short of 30k and Khan's first UK fight back is in a 10-seat venue, is laughable.

Stay salty

[Scipio2009]

I want Joshua to stay with Showtime as i want Joshua v Wilder as soon as possible.But i dont think it's going to happen just my opinion.Too easy for it to be True.But you still cant ignore the fact HBO still gets the higher audience and is a gateway for Foreign stars to break out in America.GGG,Kovalev etc

HBO is available in more homes, because of folks paying for GoT, Ballers, Veep, Girls, and the other shows.

HBO's been cutting back on their budget for years, and it's been glaringly obvious that it's affecting the boxing that folks get on HBO since at least 2015 (HBO was able to break Golovkin and Kovalev, because they came to them when they had no backing and the effort could effectively be done on the cheap; Stevenson was also in that mix, but the moment he flattened Chad Dawson, the Canada money shot through the roof and he was better able to actually weigh out offers).

Anthony Joshua is already a box office star in the UK; you can't launch that on the cheap.

With the UFC still out there to be had (UFC may be the type of product to drive folks who don't already have the channel to add it), HBO may be be in boxing for much longer anyway.

[Sir_Didymus]

The fact that you want to insist that StubHub is going to buy 60k face value tickets for a Khan-Brook fight at Old Trafford, when the attendance for Brook's biggest event was just short of 30k and Khan's first UK fight back is in a 10-seat venue, is laughable.

Stay salty

Aww looks like this one is mad and doesn't understand how the British boxing market shifts tickets with Matchroom and StubHub. Must be a Yank envying the financial power of British boxing.

Stay cute, son.