Salido's win vs Loma: Just due to low blows? Or good boxing performance?

[g27region]

It wasn't a good performance for both fighters, and everybody who seen the fight should know that

[PeasantCrusha]

Of course Salido's technically sound low blows were a non factor...only Tito Trinidad's low blows count around here. Chavez Sr. too, was a great "technician" when it came to sack-hooks. But hey, warrior though.


"but but he cheated though because Vargas was honestly going to KO him and then he low-blowed Vargas though bro"

[GhostofDempsey]

It was a combination of Loma's lack of pro experience, Salido's experience as a seasoned and crafty pro, and the dirty tactics certainly helped. I won't say they were the only factor in beating Loma, but combine all those things and I think it's rather impressive that Loma only lost by SD in his second pro fight.

[uppercut510]

Salido just won, a few low blows but not enought to say thats why he won

[Cheek busting]

Did Salido only get the win because he came in over the weight limit and threw some low blows?

Or did he actually fight pretty well?

How did you see it?

Like most fights when there's an upset - it's a combination of things: 1.) Weight: Salido missed weight, and who knows how heavy he came in the fight. Loma was by no means a small 126 pounder, but having to cut weight can really take a toll, even if just a few pounds, when you're burning muscle mass, and drying yourself out. Just looking at your GIF, you can see how stocky, and thick Salido's lower body is compared to Loma's.

2.) Low blows and other dirty tactics: Yes, Salido lead with his head, as well as low blows.

3.) Styles: Salido had a great style to beat a professional in only his second fight. several dynamics were at play aside from dirty tactics. Salido just has a rough style to deal with; he has this awkward head movement - he comes in with his head down and sort of ****ed to the left, which makes his overhand right extremely effective and powerful.

4.) Loma still in only his second 12-round fight. He didn't know how his body would respond, when he would get his second wind(if ever), how to conserve energy, etc.

5.) Everything just came together perfectly for Salido. While the dirty tactics, weight absolutely played a role, Salido just fought the perfect fight.

Salido deserves credit for the win, but you can't ignore the weight, low blows, leading with head either.

[North Star]

The true reason I saw was that he kept neutralizing his movement and refused to let Loma dictate the space/distance and the fight as a whole. Yea, there were low-blows, but a lot of other guys have defeated Salido while getting low-blowed. Why didn't these tender ones cry for all the other guys Salido low-blowed?? Low-blows didn't make Loma lose. Salido was a seasoned pro fighting an amateur that night. Loma learned a lesson and now fights like a pro.

Pretty much this, however any other ref other than Lawrence Cole that night would have put a stop to those low-blows a lot sooner, and potentially giving Lomachenko some extra rounds to take over. Lomachenko did take over towards the end after Cole finally put a stop to it.

[Boxing Goat]

Yeah, he fought well by coming in over weight and cheating the entire fight. But that said, if that's the only way I could win a fight, you bet your a55 I would do it as well.

On a side note: If the ref docked Solido for low blows like he should have, Loma would have won anyways so I really don't count that fight as a loss for Loma.

[BoxingIsGreat]

I say screw all the crying and weak excuses. Salido won legitly, period. That record will NEVER change. As Loma fans, we should acknowledge that and move on from it.

[Boxing Goat]

I say screw all the crying and weak excuses. Salido won legitly, period. That record will NEVER change. As Loma fans, we should acknowledge that and move on from it.

Not really. He fouled more than enough times to draw a point deduction. If the point deduction happens Loma wins so he really didn't win legitimately.

Not only that he came in over weight. Stop defending that trash dude.

[No punch power]

The 11 pound weight advantage in the ring was the biggest reason. Lomachenko getting hit in the balls with all that extra weight just compounded the issue. But the real issue was that Salido walked through Lomachenko's punches for most the fight just due to size. And Lomachenko was inexperienced, wanted to conserve energy, and didn't throw enough punches. Lomachenko these days is a volume puncher, but vs Salido he looked like someone who didn't have the stamina to fight all 12 rounds. I think Salido's size and fouling, and Lomachenko's inexperience going 12 rounds, were the reasons for that. If Lomachenko actually matched Salido's punch output all 12 rounds, it wouldn't have been close. He was much more precise, just got outworked by the bigger man. Lomachenko also had to stay on defense a lot because Salido was walking through his punches, putting Salido always at range to hit him, whereas normally you hit a guy and it pushes them back, giving you safe distance to look for more offensive openings. But when a guy walks through all your punches, he is also in range to hit you, so you have to stay on defense more, limiting your offense. Even with the fouls, if Salido had weighed the same as Lomachenko in the ring, Lomachenko would have knocked him out easily. The size is what allowed Salido's mauling to work.

Floyd Mayweather Jr beat Canelo Alvarez with a significant weight disadvantage. Not only that, he walked down Canelo Alvarez and beat the much heavier opponent up.

Likewise, Manny Pacquiao also beat and totally destroyed the career of Antonio Margarito with a similar weight disadvantage.

So if Lomachenko is already being compared to the greats like Pacquiao and Mayweather, then how can he qualify when he failed his first test? Couldn't he use angles and footwork like Manny Pacquiao or does Lomachenko have the most overrated footwork in boxing history for not being able to use his feet to evade a very poor opponent like Salido without needing to clinch much when Pacquiao already managed it against a better and a taller Margarito? Or couldn't he use a static defence like how Mayweather does when he shoulder rolls against opponents whilst having his back against the ropes?

So Lomachenko has had two things exposed to be lacking in his repertoire against Orlando Salido:

1) An atrocious / a horrific defence

2) Atrocious / Horrific footwork