How highly do you rate Luis Ortiz?

[Holler]

With an announcement seemingly imminent it looks like Deontay Wilder's next opponent will be Luis Ortiz. some media sources have it for March 3rd in Brooklyn but tbc.

Although I've seen a couple of his fights and he clearly packs a punch as a skilled and awkward southpaw, he doesn't have quite the profile on this side of the Atlantic that he appears to Stateside and so I don't think I have the best understanding of where he ranks in the world heavyweight scene.

I've seen plenty of posts where Ortiz is described as the best heavyweight outside the belt holders or the man that everyone wants to avoid. There's also a lot of scepticism voiced about his resume, his age (38 according to wiki) and whether his record is artificially inflated due to PED intake.

Ranking any boxer is complicated due to the politics involved around the various ranking bodies.
For the record, the WBC, which will presumably be sanctioning the fight ranks him at #3 behind champ Wilder, Whyte at #2 and current #3 Breazeale.

If we look at the sites that don't ostensibly represent a financial interest the situation is less clear:

Boxrec has him at #4 below Joshua, Povetkin and Wilder but above Parker at #7.

Transnational Boxing aka TBRP which seeks to give an impartial view and was formed after controversy over changes at The Ring doesn't have him in the top #10 world heavyweights.

The Ring magazine has him at #5, below Fury, Joshua, Wilder and Povetkin.

Espn has Ortiz at 4 behind the three belt holders.
http://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/story/_...rankings-index

He's vastly experienced at amateur level, fighting till he was 30 and with a record of 343 - 19.

His Pro record looks impressive, 30 fights, 28 wins, 24 by knockout, 2 no contests and no defeats, but it's short of class opponents. Malik Scott, Bryant Jennings and a long past his best Tony Thompson were the names that stood out.

The last fights I've seen of his he looks to be on the downturn. Age catching up with him and reliant on his technique to cover for his failing body. But as above I've not seen enough of him to properly judge.

So the question is, how highly do you rate Luis Ortiz. Is he a genuine top 10 heavyweight and if so where does he rank amongst the champs and contenders? Is he at his peak or past his best?

[Madison Boxing]

Horrendously slow and flat footed as you would expect for a man of his age and health problems. But the heavyweight division is so poor that even a 48/49 year old is one of the best in the division and as such got to give wilder some credit for fighting him if it happens. But to answer the question i'd rate him top 5 but hes realistically about 15 years past his prime years.

[DuckAdonis]

He's way too old and slow now even though he does still have the fundamentals on point, it has shown in his last Couple of fights... but he's still a top 5 heavyweight because the division lacks talent. I expect Wilder to KO him

[john l]

With an announcement seemingly imminent it looks like Deontay Wilder's next opponent will be Luis Ortiz. some media sources have it for March 3rd in Brooklyn but tbc.

Although I've seen a couple of his fights and he clearly packs a punch as a skilled and awkward southpaw, he doesn't have quite the profile on this side of the Atlantic that he appears to Stateside and so I don't think I have the best understanding of where he ranks in the world heavyweight scene.

I've seen plenty of posts where Ortiz is described as the best heavyweight outside the belt holders or the man that everyone wants to avoid. There's also a lot of scepticism voiced about his resume, his age (38 according to wiki) and whether his record is artificially inflated due to PED intake.

Ranking any boxer is complicated due to the politics involved around the various ranking bodies.
For the record, the WBC, which will presumably be sanctioning the fight ranks him at #3 behind champ Wilder, Whyte at #2 and current #3 Breazeale.

If we look at the sites that don't ostensibly represent a financial interest the situation is less clear:

Boxrec has him at #4 below Joshua, Povetkin and Wilder but above Parker at #7.

Transnational Boxing aka TBRP which seeks to give an impartial view and was formed after controversy over changes at The Ring doesn't have him in the top #10 world heavyweights.

The Ring magazine has him at #5, below Fury, Joshua, Wilder and Povetkin.

He's vastly experienced at amateur level, fighting till he was 30 and with a record of 343 - 19.

His Pro record looks impressive, 30 fights, 28 wins, 24 by knockout, 2 no contests and no defeats, but it's short of class opponents. Malik Scott, Bryant Jennings and a long past his best Tony Thompson were the names that stood out.

The last fights I've seen of his he looks to be on the downturn. Age catching up with him and reliant on his technique to cover for his failing body. But as above I've not seen enough of him to properly judge.

So the question is, how highly do you rate Luis Ortiz. Is he a genuine top 10 heavyweight and if so where does he rank amongst the champs and contenders? Is he at his peak or past his best?

Hard to judge a cheat but if you forget that he is, right below Joshua and Wilder deff top 5.PS Boxrec is great for recs but do not wanna use their ratings.They have Horn #2 and Spence#6 at 47lol.Also Canelo #1 PFP.And I could go on and on. THE RING or TRANS only reputable rankings.ESPN is MUCH better then BOXREC.You cant rate with a computer

[john l]

He is NO WHERE NEAR 15yrs past prime lol.Funny how soon as Wilder signs to fight him(again) he is old,fat,bum.Boy Joshua fanboys really are out there I guess all fanboys are.There is just more of them then Wilder fanboys lol

[N/A]

Transnational Boxing aka TBRP which seeks to give an impartial view and was formed after controversy over changes at The Ring doesn't have him in the top #10 world heavyweights.

They had him at #2, above Wilder, until the drug test failure.

Wilder is literally going out of his way to make a voluntary defense against the #1 guy in the division that doesn't have a belt, the same month that the other two belt holders are scheduled to fight each other. We literally have the top 4 heavyweights in the world about to fight.

Joshua, deservingly the #1 seed, taking on #4 Parker, and Wilder and Ortiz, #2 and #3 (up to you which is which), in the other bracket.

Ideally the winners fight immediately after, although it may not be the worst thing for business for them to each take one more fight to increase the public's demand and desperation to see them fight in late 2018.

[davef]

not a lot to be honest especially after his tour of beating up on Eddie 'the boxing graveyard body snatcher' Hearns corpses

I also think they wet Mauricio Sulaimans beak to be allowed to fight again so soon

[juggernaut666]

You can say hes past his prime but who is exactly in their prime now besides Wilder ?

The division is young with guys who havent peaked yet so Ortiz assuming he shows up better in title fights should be a top 5 fighter , i would put him at 3 .

Theres not enough to go on to judge on age , unlike Wilder who mocked Joshua for defeating OLD Klitchko he better pull his head out of the sand as USUAL if this fight gets made bc alls Ortiz has to do is fight the right fight for one night .

Obviously Wilder is thinking the age factor is too vast for him to lose ,he better THINK he will win bc he IS the better fighter bc it woht matter he will be fighting a much more capable fighte he hasnt yet who can punch and actually knows how to utilise a jab .

I think Wilder will win a UD ,i think he wont stop Ortiz IF the fight happens . Until then its all talk .

[john l]

Horrendously slow and flat footed as you would expect for a man of his age and health problems. But the heavyweight division is so poor that even a 48/49 year old is one of the best in the division and as such got to give wilder some credit for fighting him if it happens. But to answer the question i'd rate him top 5 but hes realistically about 15 years past his prime years.

Will you post where you got such info as far as his age?Because I have NEVER heard anything near that 48-49??Now I have heard that its possible he MAY be couple years older.And you make him sound like a man on deathbed lol"horrendously slow"NOT TRUE and "man with his age and heath problems"The WBC cleared him medically.And if you cant take their word for that then why take their word on the fact that he EVEN HAS high blood pressure.Let me guess Joshua fan?

[Kezzer]

He’s beaten no one of any value and his last three fights were dreadful. On top of that he’s been banned a couple of times.

Personally I would say top 20 at best as it stands, with potential. Until he beats anyone of value he is nothing more, and to be honest he is high risk no reward for that reason. For wilder he obviously doesn’t earn much elsewhere, but it is a no win situation for him - a win and Ortiz was irrelevant anyway (see Martin etc against Joshua)