How highly do you rate Luis Ortiz?

[Holler]

Not long to go before Ortiz and Wilder face off and I still see a broad range of opinions on just how good Ortiz is? It strikes me that on average he's rated higher by US based fans and I wonder whether this is because they've simply seen more of him or if he's been hyped by the networks over there? I look at his resume and in particular his last few fights and it doesn't seem impressive, but he clearly has skill and there's plenty of good analysts out there who rate him. This post is a couple of years old now but does highlight his technical skills:

https://www.badlefthook.com/2016/3/7/11174146/how-good-is-luis-ortiz

I'll be cheering for Wilder in any case due to Ortiz's PED history, but hopefully he can give DW a decent contest and we can learn a little more about how good he is under pressure.

[GhostofDempsey]

I'd say he is the #4 HW right now, which really isn't saying much considering how weak the division is today.

[Warrior Scholar]

How many total amateur rounds boxed does he have vs Wilder's total amateur rounds boxed?

[Holler]

How many total amateur rounds boxed does he have vs Wilder's total amateur rounds boxed?

Wiki has this on his amateur career:

Amateur career
With a reported 343–19 amateur record, Ortiz was a long-time member of the Cuban National Team without succeeding at the top international level. In 2006 Ortiz won the Cuban National "Playa Giron" at 91 kg. He holds amateur wins over many notable Cuban fighters including Mike Perez. He lost five times to Odlanier Solís.

Cuban Championships medals
2002 – silver medal, 95 kg
2003 – bronze medal, 91+ kg
2005 – silver medal, 91 kg
2006 – gold medal, 91 kg
2008 – white ribbon, 91+ kg
International results
2005 – Panamerican Championships, Brazil – gold medal, 91 kg
2005 – World Cup (team competition), Russia – silver medal, 91 kg
2005 – World Championships, China – quarter-finalist, 91 kg

Don't know where you'd find the rounds boxed, but it would stand to reason he has far more amateur experience than Wilder:

Amateur career
Wilder started boxing in October 2005 when he entered Skyy Boxing Gym in Northport, Alabama and began training under Jay Deas. Wilder was 19 at that time.

By 2007 he upset the favorites to win both the National Golden Gloves and the US championships at 201 lb (91 kg).

At the Golden Gloves he defeated highly touted cadet world champion Isiah Thomas - a southpaw from Detroit - and David Thompson, of Brooklyn, N.Y in the finals. At the U.S. championship he defeated Quantis Graves and won the final 31-15 over southpaw James Zimmerman of San Jose, Calif.

At the Olympic trials he beat Graves twice more and won the Olympic trials in only 21 bouts. Early in 2008 he scored a career-best win by edging out World championships silver medalist and future Olympic champion Rakhim Chakhiyev in Russia. He qualified for the Olympics by beating Deivis Julio 6:5 Jorge Quinones from Ecuador on double countback and Brazilian Rafael Lima 6:5 at the qualifier.

Wilder then competed at heavyweight in the 2008 Olympics, defeating Abdelaziz Touilbini of Algeria and Mohamed Arjaoui of Morocco before losing to Clemente Russo of Italy in the semi-final to earn a bronze medal.[1]

Wilder had an approximate amateur record of 30-5.[2][3]

Olympic results
Boxing at the 2008 Summer Olympics:[4]

Defeated Abdelaziz Toulbini (Algeria) 10:4
Defeated Mohamed Arjaoui (Morocco) 10+:10 (tiebreaker criteria)
Lost to Clemente Russo (Italy) 1:7
World Championship results
2007 AIBA World Boxing Championships:

Lost to Krzysztof Zimnoch (Poland) 20-23 (10/24/2007) [5]

The other way of looking at is that he's faced a lot more punishment over the years. I wonder if he's physically capable of living with Wilder's speed and stamina over 12 rounds.

[Warrior Scholar]

Wiki has this on his amateur career:



Don't know where you'd find the rounds boxed, but it would stand to reason he has far more amateur experience than Wilder:



The other way of looking at is that he's faced a lot more punishment over the years. I wonder if he's physically capable of living with Wilder's speed and stamina over 12 rounds.

Wilder landed every big punch in his arsenal vs the French heavyweight, Dahaupas, and couldn't get him outta there. He had him hurt early in several rounds but simply couldn't finish the job, despite landing several full power right crosses and uppercut combinations.. I'm sure he's more powerful since then, but one has to wonder, can Ortiz take a punch better than Dahaupas? If they're near the same level of punch resistance, that's Wilder's ass.

[Mandalay]

Wilder landed every big punch in his arsenal vs the French heavyweight, Dahaupas, and couldn't get him outta there. He had him hurt early in several rounds but simply couldn't finish the job, despite landing several full power right crosses and uppercut combinations.. I'm sure he's more powerful since then, but one has to wonder, can Ortiz take a punch better than Dahaupas? If they're near the same level of punch resistance, that's Wilder's ass.

Look at the size of Ortiz's head/neck and overall thickness of his body and that will answer you question. Wilder's long thin neck ain't going to stabilize his head. Wilder's chin is also naturally shaped outwards.

[Teetotaler]

Wilders best win is gonna be a fat 50 year old with high blood pressure lmfao