What was the Better Win- Floyd-Marquez or Loma-Rigo?

[Curt Henning]

Rigo looked better acclamated to the weight than Marquez who'd moved up two divisions after he had barely moved up two divisions. The physical matchup was more even in Loma-Rigo and then the controversy in refusing to weigh at the contracted weight and then he weighed the next day for Floyd.

On top of that nobody said Marquez was going to win and nobody asked for the fight. People demanded Loma-Rigo and plenty of folks picked Rigo including a lot of Floyd fans.

let us know when rigo stays at the weight and knocks out an ATG at the weight....

we can sit here and talk about who "looked better" and which fight was more in demand...but marquez stayed and nearly beat pac twice at the weight...one a highlight reel KO.....thats really all we need to know

[chrisJS]

let us know when rigo stays at the weight and knocks out an ATG at the weight....

Doesn't always work like that. Buster Douglas wasn't as good as Larry Holmes but he has a better win. Marquez wasn't a better Welterweight than Trinidad for example but he has a better win at the weight.

Marquez had time to adapt to the weight and Pacquaio was also a smaller dude too so not a natural career Welterweight. I don't think either is a great win but you've got to measure perspective coming into the fight and plenty predicted disaster for Loma.

[Curt Henning]

Doesn't always work like that. Buster Douglas wasn't as good as Larry Holmes but he has a better win. Marquez wasn't a better Welterweight than Trinidad for example but he has a better win at the weight.

Marquez had time to adapt to the weight and Pacquaio was also a smaller dude too so not a natural career Welterweight. I don't think either is a great win but you've got to measure perspective coming into the fight and plenty predicted disaster for Loma.

now pac wasnt a welterweight huh? lol

hey what if i said rigo looked small, old and like he had AIDs? what if my perspective or someone elses is completely different

what if i argued that over 1 million paid good money to watch floyd/jmm on ppv where only 1.7 watched rigo/loma on cable?

at the end of the day pac was a legit WW...and JMM almost beat him once and then knocked him out cold...pac is an atg

rigo might not fight again and if he does it might not be at the same weight......perspectives can be argued and differ....concrete facts cant and dont

rigo has 0 wins at the weight..marquez has wins at the weight

[WallabeeKing]

Threads like this show who took medication in grade school and who didn't.. Thanks OP.

[chrisJS]

now pac wasnt a welterweight huh? lol

hey what if i said rigo looked small, old and like he had AIDs? what if my perspective or someone elses is completely different

what if i argued that over 1 million paid good money to watch floyd/jmm on ppv where only 1.7 watched rigo/loma on cable?

at the end of the day pac was a legit WW...and JMM almost beat him once and then knocked him out cold...pac is an atg

rigo might not fight again and if he does it might not be at the same weight......perspectives can be argued and differ....concrete facts cant and dont

PPV sales have no baring. Tyson-McNeeley had more PPV buys than all but about 4-5 heavyweight fights in history is it really a top 5 all-time win? I can't believe you think a win over McNeeley is that big.

Pacquaio wasn't a natural Welterweight. He won titles at 112 & 122 and his best fights were at 126-130. Marquez was a natural 126 also. He was fighting at 126 until the age of 33. That's a fact.

[Curt Henning]

PPV sales have no baring. Tyson-McNeeley had more PPV buys than all but about 4-5 heavyweight fights in history is it really a top 5 all-time win? I can't believe you think a win over McNeeley is that big.

Pacquaio wasn't a natural Welterweight. He won titles at 112 & 122 and his best fights were at 126-130. Marquez was a natural 126 also. He was fighting at 126 until the age of 33. That's a fact.

woah woah when did i say the win was "big"...you are missing my point

you said there was more demand for rigo/loma...and i offered a different perspective where someone would view 1 million ppv buys as being more in demand than something on regular cable.....no one is suggesting that tyson/mcneeley was a big win.....but it can be argued, from a perspective point, that it was more in demand than a fight that might have been more evenly matched that was cable.....do you disagree?

see..like i said...perspectives can differ and both sides could have a good argument....but facts cant be denied

rigo has 0 wins at the weight....marquez has wins at the weight

now for instance...if rigo stays at the weight and beats a C level fighter does that equal marquez being at the weight and fighting even and knocking out an A level fighter? well that depends on perspective

but for now we have facts...rigo 0 wins at weight...marquez near even fight/KO win over A level comp at the weight

there ya go...hope that helps

[Curt Henning]

its sad that you are trying to point to pac not being a natural WW to help prop up your terrible argument Chris......I know where pac started his career....but you trying to discredit marquez because pac isnt a natural WW is reaching....we all know where pacs star shined and he certainly had no problem at WW....but you have to try and discredit marquezs win any way you can to keep up appearances....kind of sad

[chrisJS]

its sad that you are trying to point to pac not being a natural WW to help prop up your terrible argument Chris......I know where pac started his career....but you trying to discredit marquez because pac isnt a natural WW is reaching....we all know where pacs star shined and he certainly had no problem at WW....but you have to try and discredit marquezs win any way you can to keep up appearances....kind of sad

Marquez is my all time favorite fighter. I am just saying both Marquez and Pacquaio were similar in brutal weights. Marquez-Pacquaio IV is the best win of the modern era but it helped that they'd had two previous bouts at their natural weights. That Marquez likely wouldn't have been able to beat great natural welterweights.

Again there was no demand from boxing fans. People will always buy Mayweather fights especially a comeback and Mexicans support Boxing so their best fighter fighting a huge name no matter the odds will always sell. Loma-Rigo was demanded by boxing fans and opinions were split coming in. Not the case with Mayweather-Marquez.

[Curt Henning]

Marquez is my all time favorite fighter. I am just saying both Marquez and Pacquaio were similar in brutal weights. Marquez-Pacquaio IV is the best win of the modern era but it helped that they'd had two previous bouts at their natural weights. That Marquez likely wouldn't have been able to beat great natural welterweights.

Again there was no demand from boxing fans. People will always buy Mayweather fights especially a comeback and Mexicans support Boxing so their best fighter fighting a huge name no matter the odds will always sell. Loma-Rigo was demanded by boxing fans and opinions were split coming in. Not the case with Mayweather-Marquez.

chris...ive read alot of your posts...and i think you are a pretty sharp boxing fan...but you have more fanboy in you than you care to admit

like i said ...perspectives can differ....i can say floyd/marquez getting 1 million buys at 60 bucks a pop suggest more demand....

you are out here trying to reach and discredit JMMs win by acting like pac aint a natural WW....WW is where pac made himself a superstar and all of his money....he looked every bit the part and no ever said he wasnt a legit WW....it just is what it is...pac was a legit WW so for you to try and tear down the JMM win is a desperate reach IMO(you know...my perspective)

again....whats rigo going to do at this weight? never fight there again? beat a C level fighter? we dont know.....if he beats a C level guy there does that equate to what JMM did to pac? i dunno...not IMO ....maybe in yours

but we have concrete facts......demand is also subjective....how someone "looks" is subjective....

you can say JMM is your favorite fighter but its easy to discredit things hes done because hes just JMM...there will be years of floyd/loma threads and people will barely talk about jmm....i bet you dont like floyd much.....and you will be able to come on here and brag about loma for years to come....lets not forget how much youve been on here telling all the people that were wrong about rigo/loma that they were wrong.....but im sure you werent out there telling kovalev and ggg superfans they were wrong....probably just helping them drum up excuses

its clear floyds win holds more weight until we see rigo fight again at the weight...and what level of competition it is and what the result is

[Robbie Barrett]

Marquez is my all time favorite fighter. I am just saying both Marquez and Pacquaio were similar in brutal weights. Marquez-Pacquaio IV is the best win of the modern era but it helped that they'd had two previous bouts at their natural weights. That Marquez likely wouldn't have been able to beat great natural welterweights.

Again there was no demand from boxing fans. People will always buy Mayweather fights especially a comeback and Mexicans support Boxing so their best fighter fighting a huge name no matter the odds will always sell. Loma-Rigo was demanded by boxing fans and opinions were split coming in. Not the case with Mayweather-Marquez.

Marquez and Mayweather were more similar in weight than Loma-Rigo. OOOooops

Lona-Rigo wouldn't have got anywhere close to 1 mil sales. Wherever it was there before or not, there was more demand for Mayweather-JMM.