Comments Thread For: Showtime To Slot in More Fights To 2018 Schedule

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I was hoping they would pick up some of the world boxing super series fights.

Doing so would take away resources that could be used to further their process of running HBO out of the sport.

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No. They only had an option on his last fight, but by picking up that option, they gained the rights to the fight after that as well. One of the reasons why Hearn wants to wait on the Wilder fight is because he knows HBO will make a massive offer to try to block it and if he does the fight next, he loses that leverage.

Are you sure? Im pretty sure they only have a the same option like they did the last time.

With giving the first and last offer.
Pretty sure HBO is free to bid on the fight if they wish.


And I dont think HBO will "block" the fight.
Plenty of Haymon figthers have fought on HBO.
Daniel Jacobs and Chavez Jr. having fought on HBO PPV in 2017.
Felix Diaz aswell.

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Doing so would take away resources that could be used to further their process of running HBO out of the sport.

HBO has not been doing a great job on making boxing fights in 2017.

But they did have 20 shows this year.
And they did also have better ratings than Showtime.

So I don't HBO is getting out of the sport.

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Are you sure? Im pretty sure they only have a the same option like they did the last time.

It's a little different this time. But next time it's a free for all.

And I dont think HBO will "block" the fight.

Thank you for your opinion. If you think HBO will just sit idly by while Showtime attempts to crown an undisputed heavyweight champion of the world, you have no idea what you're talking about . . .

Plenty of Haymon figthers have fought on HBO.
Daniel Jacobs and Chavez Jr. having fought on HBO PPV in 2017.
Felix Diaz aswell.

#1, that is not plenty. #2, each instance was an extenuating circumstance.

Diaz is signed exclusively to Dibella and Dibella takes his B-side exclusive fighters to HBO to be opponents when needed.

Jacobs-GGG was a mandatory fight. Jacobs would have been stripped for refusing and Haymon had no other control over that division whatsoever. It was a calculated risk to try to steal control of another division away from HBO. A risk that almost paid off, that caused minimal damage to Haymon as he was already boxed out of middleweight to begin with.

Chavez was a cash out fight where Haymon risked nothing. Chavez had no belt, no prospects for a belt, had already lost to Fonfara, and Golden Boy had to pay a fortune to get him.

If you're suggesting any of this means that Haymon will send Wilder over to HBO to be a B-side, you're out of your mind.

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And they did also have better ratings than Showtime.

HBO fights have more viewers because HBO has way more subscribers. HBO also sabotages their own fights on non-linear platforms to force viewers to watch on TV. Showtime offers many viewing options that artificially lower the publicly released number. But the true numbers that you aren't privy to are the real reason Showtime is so bullish about boxing. HBO's numbers are a mirage.

So I don't HBO is getting out of the sport.

HBO keeps cutting their boxing budget while Showtime keeps increasing their boxing budget. Tells you all you need to know.

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It's a little different this time. But next time it's a free for all.

Thank you for your opinion. If you think HBO will just sit idly by while Showtime attempts to crown an undisputed heavyweight champion of the world, you have no idea what you're talking about . . .


#1, that is not plenty. #2, each instance was an extenuating circumstance.

Diaz is signed exclusively to Dibella and Dibella takes his B-side exclusive fighters to HBO to be opponents when needed.

Jacobs-GGG was a mandatory fight. Jacobs would have been stripped for refusing and Haymon had no other control over that division whatsoever. It was a calculated risk to try to steal control of another division away from HBO. A risk that almost paid off, that caused minimal damage to Haymon as he was already boxed out of middleweight to begin with.

Chavez was a cash out fight where Haymon risked nothing. Chavez had no belt, no prospects for a belt, had already lost to Fonfara, and Golden Boy had to pay a fortune to get him.

If you're suggesting any of this means that Haymon will send Wilder over to HBO to be a B-side, you're out of your mind.

By saying I dont think HBO will "block" the fight, I meant that I don't won't allow Wilder to fight on HBO if the fights happens on HBO.

No Felix Diaz signed with Haymon first, just like Deontay Wilder.
Then they signed with Lou.

Of course Haymon will send Wilder over to HBO if Joshua signs with HBO.
That fight is the biggest money fight in boxing today.
No other fight will generate more money than Joshua vs. Wilder.

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HBO fights have more viewers because HBO has way more subscribers. HBO also sabotages their own fights on non-linear platforms to force viewers to watch on TV. Showtime offers many viewing options that artificially lower the publicly released number. But the true numbers that you aren't privy to are the real reason Showtime is so bullish about boxing. HBO's numbers are a mirage.


HBO keeps cutting their boxing budget while Showtime keeps increasing their boxing budget. Tells you all you need to know.

I agree that HBO arent doing themselves any favors by not making fights available on other platforms or streaming fights on YouTube.

Well, HBO still have more shows than Showtime per year.

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By saying I dont think HBO will "block" the fight, I meant that I don't won't allow Wilder to fight on HBO if the fights happens on HBO.

HBO's attempt to block the fight will be massively overpaying for Joshua and possibly promising regular dates for Matchroom's other fighters. HBO will give it their all to try to stop Joshua-Wilder from happening.

No Felix Diaz signed with Haymon first, just like Deontay Wilder.

But the HBO fight wasn't until after signing an exclusive promotional agreement with Dibella . . .

Of course Haymon will send Wilder over to HBO if Joshua signs with HBO.

False.

That fight is the biggest money fight in boxing today. No other fight will generate more money than Joshua vs. Wilder.

Which is why SHO will likely outbid HBO for Joshua no matter what HBO offers. But if HBO starts offering a ton of dates to Matchroom USA, that would be tougher for SHO to match.

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HBO's attempt to block the fight will be massively overpaying for Joshua and possibly promising regular dates for Matchroom's other fighters. HBO will give it their all to try to stop Joshua-Wilder from happening.

Why would HBO wanna "block" the biggest money fight in the boxing game today?
They will most likely wanna put the fight on HBO PPV.

But the HBO fight wasn't until after signing an exclusive promotional agreement with Dibella . . .

Lou DiBella and Haymon fighters have fought on both HBO and Showtime in the recent years.
If the deal is right then those figthers will fight on HBO.

Which is why SHO will likely outbid HBO for Joshua no matter what HBO offers. But if HBO starts offering a ton of dates to Matchroom USA, that would be tougher for SHO to match.

I think HBO has more money in a potential bid war.
HBO will pretty much win now that Top Rank has left and they have more money.
Even though even though neither Peter Nelson nor Eddie Hearn will admit it, I think there will be a deal between HBO and Joshua.
And more dates for Matchroom & Eddie Hearn in the US sure wont hurt.
It will only help their working relationship.

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I agree that HBO arent doing themselves any favors by not making fights available on other platforms or streaming fights on YouTube.

It's not a question of youtube. It's a question of the following:

#1 - SHO subscribers can watch boxing live on SHO's app. Computer, tablet, phone, anything, you can watch boxing live. People who watch this way are not included in the publicly released number, but SHO doesn't care because they'd rather keep subscribers happy than worry about public relations. HBO refuses to allow subscribers to watch boxing live on their app because they're determined to preserve the publicly released number.

#2 - SHO replays their fights later the same night. People who watch this way are not included in the publicly released number, but SHO doesn't care because they'd rather keep subscribers happy than worry about public relations. HBO refuses to allow a late night replay because they're determined to preserve the publicly released number.

#3 - SHO adds their fights to their app very quickly. Sometimes within hours. People who watch this way are not included in the publicly released number, but SHO doesn't care because they'd rather keep subscribers happy than worry about public relations. HBO makes subscribers wait several days before they can watch on their app because they're determined to preserve the publicly released number.

#4 - SHO includes the ENTIRE BROADCAST on their app. People who watch this way are not included in the publicly released number, but SHO doesn't care because they'd rather keep subscribers happy than worry about public relations. HBO, after making fans wait several days, still only posts fights to their app bell to bell, with all the pomp and circumstance cut out because they're determined to preserve the publicly released number.