The Case For AJ/Wilder Being 50/50

[koolkc107]

Joshua v Takam was watched by almost 3 million Germans on RTL... a figure that trebles the amount of people that watched Wilder v Stiverne in his own country (a country that far exceeds the population of Germany I might add). Equally Joshua v Takam was aired in over 150 countries... your fights don't get aired in that many countries unless you are globally recognised.

You are seriously reaching with all of this to claim that Joshua would be ducking if he doesn't accept a 50/50 offer. Likelihood is the fight gets made that around 60/40 or 55/45 because at the end of the day Haymon is not going to throw away the prospect of the fight and the money that comes with it over Wilder and his team's egos... not when he'd have no way of generating that amount of cash else.

And not one German bought the fight.

Listen, you don't want to start comparing the numbers when it comes to cable or non-payed viewership.

It isn't close, and it isn't the guy you think.

[koolkc107]

Are you insane? WILDER HAS 0 PPVS

Joshua vs Wlad broke PPV records


close your damn thread man wtf is this

The question was how many PPVs have been sold in the US.

In that respect, AJ and Wilder are even.

[W1LL]

The thing AJ fans love to point out- with decent enough reason- is what AJ has made in some of his last few fights.

AJ made 8M pounds vs Martin

AJ made 15M pounds vs Klitschko

AJ made 10M pounds vs Takam

(Against guys like Whyte, Molina, and Brazeale his purse were smaller, ranging from 1.5M to 3M pounds.)

The 3 big fights cited above are miles above and beyond anything Wilder has made in any of his fights, they say, so Deontay should not ask for a 50/50 split.

And that might actually make sense until you actually look at what his opponents got in those fights.

Martin made 6M pounds.

Wlad made 15M pounds.

Takam made 750,000 pounds.

Takam was a challenger taking the fight on 12 days notice. So he got a 90/10 split. The split for the fight with Pulev was going to be 80/20, again quite reasonable for an A-side champion vs a not too well known challenger.

But Martin, as an unknown champion asked to defend his title, got better than a 40% split (almost 43%).

Klitschko, a title-less aging former champ, got a 50/50 split.

Given this information, and given that AJ vs Wilder is the biggest fight that can be made in boxing, it is quite understandable why Wilder is asking for 50/50.

And given what AJ and Hearns have paid in the past, Wilder deserves it.

Martin, an unknown got near 45%.
Wlad with no title and coming off a loss, got 50%.

Wilder, better known than Martin and actually holding a belt unlike Wlad, should at a minimum get what Martin got no matter where the fight is. And truth is, he deserves the same deal as Wlad. He is a longer reigning champion than AJ is, and unlike even the Klitschko fight, this fight if marketed the right way can do extremely well on American PPV.

This is why folks who claim Wilder is pricing himself out of a fight actually have it backwards.

Offering another champion 20-35% is a clear sign that it is Hearn who doesn't want the fight.

And you don't have to have an opinion about what is fair or who is a bigger star.

All you have to do is look at the track record of what was offered and received in other big fights and see if what is offered here IN THE BIGGEST FIGHT OF ALL OF THEM lines up comparably.

And the answer is, it doesn't.

A well-researched post.

[H-Tok]

The question was how many PPVs have been sold in the US.

In that respect, AJ and Wilder are even.

hahahahhaha im done you are something else man

[Meldrick_]

Wilder should get around 5m and AJ will get 15m or more for this fight.

[NaijaD]

The question was how many PPVs have been sold in the US.

In that respect, AJ and Wilder are even.

So nothing outside of the US matters??

This sort of reasoning is why Americans get laughed at.

[filup79]

AJ is the bigger star. Has the better resume, and has put more asses in seats. Thats why 50/50 is ridiculous for wilder. He is clearly the B side. Only a wilder fanboy would debate that. He on average makes around 900k per fight and cant even sell out his hometown.

Aj would probably sell out vegas in his first US fight. This is just true hes a bigger star and thats why Wilder needs to play ball.

You're delusional if you think AJ sells out any arena in the US. AJ is no world wide superstar, and u could make the same claim Hearn was making when he was asking people walking down the streets i NY if they knew who Wilder was.

[koolkc107]

If wilder was such star, then why doesn’t he offer to keep all USA revenue with Joshua keeping uk?

Oh that’s right, nobody in America cares about wilder and he makes 1.5m per fight in America

People buy aj fights to watch him, not the guy he is fighting, that’s how big he is

Wilder fighting bums makes him 1.5m, if Joshua fought the same bums, he would still make 15m as he is just a star unlike wilder who is a nobody and you wilder fans need to get over it

Actually, I think this is a great idea especially if the fight is in Vegas.

But, that's on Wilder's promoters to make that happen, I agree.

Not sure if Hearn would agree if he thinks hard about it tho.

The most AJ has grossed in Britain PPV is about 38M; Wilder would only need 500K US buys to better that.

Now think about it.

How many buys in the US do you think a showdown between 2 undefeated Heavyweight KO artists would get?

[Robbie Barrett]

You're delusional if you think AJ sells out any arena in the US. AJ is no world wide superstar, and u could make the same claim Hearn was making when he was asking people walking down the streets i NY if they knew who Wilder was.

Which is why America is largely irrelevant when discussing the split. 90+% of the money will be coming from the UK.

[filup79]

So nothing outside of the US matters??

This sort of reasoning is why Americans get laughed at.

PPVs in the UK will always make less money than in the US. Thats a fact. AJ could sell a mi in the UK and its barely the equivalent of 500k in the US. Funny how the biggest PPV in the UK belongs to Floyd as well.