rank higher wlad or lennox lewis?

[Tutsa]

Easy

Not only did LL fight during the elite HW Era and avenged his two loses like a true champ . He also beat a young VK in the twilight of his career which was such a great fight . I have ALL up there with one of the best HW ever due to his list of great wins against great HW Champion s . WK went never avenged his loses but sent his Big brother to do it !!! This is poll should be 99 % favorite for Lennox . If it isn't then this boxing forum is a joke ..

[Poet682006]

What a sad b*stard😂😂
These lists of “facts” he posts are absolutely ludicrous.😂😂
He’s definitely not right mentally.

I used to spoof his spam posts :chuckle9:

[sunny31]

No, I don't think so. I always got the impression they were two different people. Tunney is actually articulate while Klitschko2011 could barely communicate without grunting like a **********. I could be wrong, though :dunno9:

What a sad b*stard😂😂
These lists of “facts” he posts are absolutely ludicrous.😂😂
He’s definitely not right mentally.

I'm pretty sure it was all Freedom/Tunney, and this is definitely him. The guy is demented.

[sunny31]

No, I don't think so. I always got the impression they were two different people. Tunney is actually articulate while Klitschko2011 could barely communicate without grunting like a **********. I could be wrong, though :dunno9:

I think he used his main account to be articulate and come across well, and his other accounts to be his real self, a massive troll, racist, idiotic douche bag lol.

[chrisJS]

Wlad being considered ahead of Lewis in an all-time ranking is nearly as ****** as Cotto being ahead of Marquez. If you think both of those you should give your Boxing fan card in.

I think Lewis has tended to be a bit overrated and glorified over time but he's clearly a level above Wlad. He's arguably and probably a top 10 all-time in the division. Wlad, who I have nothing against would be lucky to see the top 15.

I'd personally go
1. Ali 2. Louis 3. Johnson 4. Holmes 5. Foreman 6. Marciano 7. Holyfield 8. Frazier 9. Lewis 10. Dempsey 11. Liston 12. Walcott 13. Charles 14. Tyson 15. Wlad off the top of my head.

I rank of relative to their era a lot with heavies since it's clear Bowe or Vitali for example would be too big for some of the old timers but their legacies are far behind.

[RedZmaja]

My god you're ******. Just because more countries are participating it doesn't then mean they are more talented. It just means there's a more international scene. Talent doesn't even begin to come into it.

You're trying to argue against common sense here. If more countries are participating in a sport that means that more athletes are into it which means that the talent pool is bigger which means that there will be more talented athletes reaching the top. It shouldn't be difficult to understand even for a ****** like you.

Boxing has much more talent now because Eastern Europeans can participate in it which means millions of people that can become potential fighters.

If pro boxing was still banned in Eastern Europe there would be no Kovalev, Klitschko, Lomachenko, Golovkin, Usyk etc. right now yet by your logic this somehow shouldn't affect the talent in boxing? ******s like you would probably actually think more highly of this era then because there would be more hyped American champions. Guys like Jacobs would be undefeated and hyped more and people would call him the next Hagler or something. But now that he lost to Eastern Euros he's a bum and those Eastern Euros aren't any good either (by your logic) because you simply don't like them and they have no hype in America.

[RedZmaja]

I'd personally go
1. Ali 2. Louis 3. Johnson 4. Holmes 5. Foreman 6. Marciano 7. Holyfield 8. Frazier 9. Lewis 10. Dempsey 11. Liston 12. Walcott 13. Charles 14. Tyson 15. Wlad off the top of my head.

LOL!

Wlad has the best legacy out of all HWs. He dominated for 11 years in the best HW era so far when boxing became a global sport filled with international talent.

All of those hyped American guys made their names fighting other American guys when boxing was pretty much a local American sport. They didn't face the global talent that Wlad did. And they still couldn't display the longevity that Wlad did.

Take all the American hype away and they're not on the level of Wlad and his era.

[chrisJS]

LOL!

Wlad has the best legacy out of all HWs. He dominated for 11 years in the best HW era so far when boxing became a global sport filled with international talent.

All of those hyped American guys made their names fighting other American guys when boxing was pretty much a local American sport. They didn't face the global talent that Wlad did. And they still couldn't display the longevity that Wlad did.

Take all the American hype away and they're not on the level of Wlad and his era.

Joe Louis, with his 13 year, 25 defense reign having beaten fighters of around 9-10 nationalities says hi.

Not to mention the 9 men he defeated in the Hall of Fame compared to the 0 on Wlad's.

[Mr Objecitivity]

What a load of bollocks. Win/Loss records don't show the quality of fighters. Fighter B could have fought fighters who also fought garbage opponents their entire careers.

Numbers mean nothing.

Fighter B could have fought fighters who also fought garbage opponents their entire careers.

Okay, let me just give you an example. Let's compare Alexander Povetkin's heavyweight record to Deontay Wilder's heavyweight record.

Alexander Povetkin's opponent's sum record = the total win / loss record of all of his opponents combined is:

913 (wins):255 (losses)

If we exclude Wladimir Klitschko (since Povetkin lost against Wlad) then it would be:

849:250


Whilst Deontay Wilder's opponent's sum record is:

687 (wins): 406 (losses)


That is whilst taking into consideration that Alexander Povetkin has 6 fewer fights than Deontay Wilder (Povetkin has had 33 bouts whilst Wilder has had 39 bouts in total).

This only gives us an overview on who boxed against better level of opposition. Alexander Povetkin's opponents in total have fewer losses and more wins that Wilder's opponents. Therefore, Povetkin's opposition has been better than Wilder's.

Thus, if Anthony Joshua were to beat Alexander Povetkin, his win would OBJECTIVELY be more impressive than if he were to beat Deontay Wilder. Likewise, the same is the case with Wlad beating Povetkin.

Objective things are merely facts which can be measured numerically that provide the most accurate / specific representation of an event.

We can objectively measure the quality of a boxer by analyzing / evaluating their record. Which can be done by following this simple principle:

- The more convincingly a boxer beats his opponents the,
topper he is.
- And the more top opponents he beats, the topper he is.
- And the topper his opponents are the topper he is
- And his opponents are as top as they themselves "beat
convincingly top opponents".


Converted into a formula it reads something like this:
KO'Ratio*WinFightRatio*QualityOfOpposition

(where the QualityOfOpposition is itself defined by
the opposition's own "KO'Ratio*WinFightRatio*QualityOfOpposition")

We don't need to use subjective categories like "skillset", "talent", "heart", "footwork", "instinct", "how he can take a punch", "combinations" or "fluidity" etc… because such features will MANIFEST AS RESULTS. If they don't manifest then the boxer lacked these features or he lacked something else or they weren't important in the first place.

Numbers mean nothing.

What provides more 'meaning' than 'numbers' when it comes to measuring the quality / worth / value / level of a boxer?

Scoring of fights is subjective so yes wins and losses can be

Boxing has an objective criteria when scoring rounds / bouts. Which is to land more punches and to get hit by fewer punches in return. Particularly EFFECTIVE punches.

Since 2006 - 2012, I can barely count on one hand the number of rounds Wladimir Klitschko lost. Ergo, there isn't any subjectivity in Wladimir Klitschko's winning record during that period.

Even Wlads fouling was/wasn't allowed based on the opinion of the referee. = Subjective.

OFFICIAL results are objective. Even if we (subjectively) argue against the official result. As long as the official result stands, it remains objective.

Wlad is sleeping in that Gif.

Lying down =/= sleeping. Otherwise, it must be one of the shortest amount of time any human being has ever slept considering he beat the 10 count.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Joe Louis, with his 13 year, 25 defense reign having beaten fighters of around 9-10 nationalities says hi.

Not to mention the 9 men he defeated in the Hall of Fame compared to the 0 on Wlad's.

Joe Louis has only 8 title defense against opponents weighing 200 pounds or above (REAL heavyweights by modern standards). Those other title defenses came against sub-heavyweights (cruiserweights / light heavyweights by modern standard).

Hall of fame is an American establishments that subjectively selects boxers (based on their preference rather than actual quality).

It's no more valuable than a Ukrainian establishment ranking every Ukrainian heavyweight in the top 10 hall of fame ranking. Makes as much sense!