rank higher wlad or lennox lewis?

[Robbie Barrett]

That's a good point and I agree that records won't tell us the quality / skills of a boxer if we don't take into consideration multiple different factors.

However, records can account for quality of opposition too. In the very example you provided where a boxer is undefeated with 40 wins and 40 knockouts. If you have two boxers with 40 fights, 40 wins and 40 knockouts. Say one of them defeated more previously unbeaten opponents, more previously UN-KO'ed opponents and the sum record of their opponents (total win:loss ratio of all their opponent's record combined) is better than the other boxer's because in total, their opponents together have more wins and less losses. Then that boxer's record is obviously better. Even though both have the same number of fights, wins and knockouts

I don't JUST look at simple things such as how many wins / losses a boxer has. I look at multiple different statistics of a boxer's record.

What a load of bollocks. Win/Loss records don't show the quality of fighters. Fighter B could have fought fighters who also fought garbage opponents their entire careers.

Numbers mean nothing.

[Robbie Barrett]

Irrelevant only if they don't translate into good results. If a boxer was supposedly the fastest boxer in the world but lost every fight he has ever been in. What relevance is the speed? I tend to look at the whole package rather than single attributes / assets.



I'm claiming that numbers are objective facts that can't be disputed. The same way a temperature with a value / number in relation to a location's weather is an indisputable fact which can't be disputed. Numbers give us the most accurate / specific representation / description of events that take place. Hence, numbers and mathematics are used for the very device you are currently using to type your comments right now.



Actually, I have Floyd Mayweather Jr in the top 3 greatest boxers ever in terms of pound for pound ranking. I don't even have a problem with anyone ranking him as number 1 either.

I personally think Vasyl Lomachenko is more skilled (my subjective interpretation) than Floyd Mayweather Jr as a boxer. However, Floyd Mayweather Jr still currently has the better record. Thus, he statistically, factually and objectively is a worthier / higher quality boxer.



Untrue! Having a better win:loss ratio than another boxer isn't subjective. Having a higher knockout record against undefeated opponents compared to another boxer isn't subjective. Beating more former champions (in Floyd Mayweather Jr's case) than any other boxer isn't subjective. These are all objective accomplishments / feats which indicate the level / quality / worth / value / skill of a boxer.



The language of the universe is mathematics which is comprised of numbers. So numbers absolutely do mean something.




Actually, Alexander Povetkin has a better HEAVYWEIGHT record than David Haye. So does Ruslan Chagaev and Chris Byrd (arguably). So officially, Wladimir Klitschko's win over prime Alexander Povetkin is more impressive than his win over David Haye.



Wladimir Klitschko was also a golfer. Instead, he was even more of a golfer than Corrie Sanders.

Furthermore, Wlad wasn't put to 'sleep'. Last time I checked, he got up and was still standing at the time of the stoppage.



Just so you know, I have nothing against Lennox Lewis. I personally had him as the greatest heavyweight of all time (along with Vitali Klitschko) until Wlad retired. However, my ranking is purely based on accomplishments and Wladimir Klitschko undoubtedly has the better heavyweight accomplishments. Maybe if Lennox Lewis boxed for longer, he would've at least rivaled Wlad's accomplishments but he didn't since he retired with fewer bouts.

In terms of head to head ranking, I think all 3 (Lennox Lewis, Vitali Klitschko and Wladimir Klitschko) are evenly matched in a head to head match up. Below them is Mike Tyson. The winner of a bout between Lennox Lewis and Wladimir Klitschko in my opinion will be decided by who's corner Emmanuel Steward is in during the bout. Otherwise, it's a 50/50 match up that could go either way.

Scoring of fights is subjective so yes wins and losses can be, ranking of fighters is subjective too. The sport is a subjective sport. Even Wlads fouling was/wasn't allowed based on the opinion of the referee. = Subjective.

Wlad is sleeping in that Gif.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Speed/movement/fluidity are irrelevant? WTF. How can you even call yourself a boxing fan.

You are claiming numbers are be all and end all. But aren't you one of the posters that says Mayweather 0 doesn't matter and his 50 shouldn't count?

Boxing is a subjective sport. Everything about t is subjective. Numbers mean nothing.

Very true!🙌🏻
This Ganstaz guy is definitely missing a chromosome or two

[Sid-Knee]

Yea I saw it and Rahman was in the second fight for a bit. With Wlad he did absolutely fkn nothing of note whatsoever before getting knocked out.

P.S. Wlad has more title fights than any heavyweight ever. 2nd most defenses ever and 2nd longest reign ever. Lennox was never champ more than a few years at a time. Beating 40 y/o Tyson, 40 y/o Holyfield and Vitali by lucky break doesn't Trump Wlads resume.

Erm, Rahman landed about 3 jabs against Lennox in the rematch. It was one sided.

Rahamn was in his prime in the rematch and shot against Wlad. It was a good win for Lewis but meant nothing for Wlad.

Having more title defences than Lewis doesn't mean he beat a tougher field. Wlad beat a load of bums. They're decent at best a lot of them.

Both Holyfield and Tyson were 36 when Lennox took them on, not 40. Try again.

Lewis didn't beat Vitali by lucky break. He inflicted so much damage to Vitali's face the ref had no choice but to halt procedings. There was about 5 different cuts to Vitali's face. It was a legit win.

[Canelo and GGG]

IMO Lennox ,he beat better comp.

[Sid-Knee]

OMG you're really dumb. I explained to you several times. If the sport is practiced in more countries, the more people are going to participate and the better the sport is going to become. It's simple logic.

My god you're ******. Just because more countries are participating it doesn't then mean they are more talented. It just means there's a more international scene. Talent doesn't even begin to come into it.

[Poet682006]

Very true!🙌🏻
This Ganstaz guy is definitely missing a chromosome or two

I'm certain he's the alt of a poster that went by Klitschko2011 back in the day. He used to spam this copy/paste post titled "The Facts" :hahahaha9:

[Robbie Barrett]

I'm certain he's the alt of a poster that went by Klitschko2011 back in the day. He used to spam this copy/paste post titled "The Facts" :hahahaha9:

Wasn't that Freedom/Tunneys alt?

[Poet682006]

Wasn't that Freedom/Tunneys alt?

No, I don't think so. I always got the impression they were two different people. Tunney is actually articulate while Klitschko2011 could barely communicate without grunting like a **********. I could be wrong, though :dunno9:

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

I'm certain he's the alt of a poster that went by Klitschko2011 back in the day. He used to spam this copy/paste post titled "The Facts" :hahahaha9:

What a sad b*stard😂😂
These lists of “facts” he posts are absolutely ludicrous.😂😂
He’s definitely not right mentally.