Manny vs Crawford

[chrisJS]

pac's last ko was against hatton. pac didnt start drug testing until 2014.


pac fought margaito, mosley, rios, bradley. which figher has ko anyone of those names mention when pac fought them? those arent the easiest guy to stop.

and algieri, vargas, horn, these guys came late in pac's career where he is not the same fighter anymore, do you need me to explain why he wasnt able to stop them?

oh, so now pac didnt jump head first that's why he didnt get ko in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd?? but why was there NO knock downs?? i mean marquez landed that same right every time right??

also, in the 4th fight when pac got knocked down for the first time in this series, he didnt jump in face first. he was actually pulling back which should have taken some of the impact away. why was marquez able to knock him down then?

There's always been testing. However he said no to a needle and once their was scrutiny he stopped wrecking dudes. Dude, no KO's in 8 years? That's some Paulie Malignaggi stuff. In fact Paulie stopped a guy in that time.

Old faded Mosley had stopped Margarito.

Rios was stopped like the following year by pillow hands Rios.

It wasn't the "same" right he wasn't jumping in with the full force of his body in those bouts. Well, the KD in round 3 is easy. He was square up, fell for a feint and his feet were not positioned well. He was hardly moving away he was right there on the end of the punch.

Your nitpicking too much. Why was Pacquaio not able to drop Morales in fight I, but he did in fight II for example?

You must be either very new to the sport or very biased to think every punch is equal. There's millions of instances of punches landing differently despite it's technique being similar. It's not a video game.

[WesternChamp]

There's always been testing. However he said no to a needle and once their was scrutiny he stopped wrecking dudes. Dude, no KO's in 8 years? That's some Paulie Malignaggi stuff. In fact Paulie stopped a guy in that time.

Old faded Mosley had stopped Margarito.

Rios was stopped like the following year by pillow hands Rios.

It wasn't the "same" right he wasn't jumping in with the full force of his body in those bouts. Well, the KD in round 3 is easy. He was square up, fell for a feint and his feet were not positioned well. He was hardly moving away he was right there on the end of the punch.

Your nitpicking too much. Why was Pacquaio not able to drop Morales in fight I, but he did in fight II for example?

he stopped knocking dudes out in 08. when there was NO ped accusation then!!

did you not read what i said? at the time pac fought them, those fighters werent easy to stop. rios got stopped by bradley 2 years later after the pac fight!

in the 4th fight, he didnt jump in, why was marquez able to knock him down?? in fact, pac actually pulled back.

in all 3 fights, why wasnt marquez able to drop manny not even once? you can bring up about how pac didnt jump in head first all you want, but the first knockdown in the 4th fight, pac didnt jump in head first. LOL!!

[WesternChamp]

There's always been testing. However he said no to a needle and once their was scrutiny he stopped wrecking dudes. Dude, no KO's in 8 years? That's some Paulie Malignaggi stuff. In fact Paulie stopped a guy in that time.

Old faded Mosley had stopped Margarito.

Rios was stopped like the following year by pillow hands Rios.

It wasn't the "same" right he wasn't jumping in with the full force of his body in those bouts. Well, the KD in round 3 is easy. He was square up, fell for a feint and his feet were not positioned well. He was hardly moving away he was right there on the end of the punch.

Your nitpicking too much. Why was Pacquaio not able to drop Morales in fight I, but he did in fight II for example?

You must be either very new to the sport or very biased to think every punch is equal. There's millions of instances of punches landing differently despite it's technique being similar. It's not a video game.

he said it after the fight, he didnt get to use his choices of gloves!! he got to use his gloves in the rematch and what happen? LOL!!!!!!! you really just ask me this????

[chrisJS]

he stopped knocking dudes out in 08. when there was NO ped accusation then!!

did you not read what i said? at the time pac fought them, those fighters werent easy to stop. rios got stopped by bradley 2 years later after the pac fight!

in the 4th fight, he didnt jump in, why was marquez able to knock him down?? in fact, pac actually pulled back.

in all 3 fights, why wasnt marquez able to drop manny not even once? you can bring up about how pac didnt jump in head first all you want, but the first knockdown in the 4th fight, pac didnt jump in head first. LOL!!

Again, not all punches land the same. Pacquaio was hurt in fight I & II, but he also never got caught flat footed, square up, falling for a feint hands by his side as easy as Marquez caught him in round 3. NOT ALL PUNCHES LAND THE SAME. It's not a video game.

There was PED accusations but they were smaller. It took someone as big and outspoken as Floyd to bring it to light. Also, he stopped Hatton and Cotto in 2009. He also didn't knock Morales down with any punches in fight I, yet he did in fight II. I've explained why Marquez was able to score knockdowns now explain how Pacquaio did when he couldn't in fight I (vs. Morales).

Also, good job on telling me what good fighters stopped or even beat prior to hooking up with Roach at a time when Roach had fighters fail tests.

[WesternChamp]

Again, not all punches land the same. Pacquaio was hurt in fight I & II, but he also never got caught flat footed, square up, falling for a feint hands by his side as easy as Marquez caught him in round 3. NOT ALL PUNCHES LAND THE SAME. It's not a video game.

There was PED accusations but they were smaller. It took someone as big and outspoken as Floyd to bring it to light. Also, he stopped Hatton and Cotto in 2009. He also didn't knock Morales down with any punches in fight I, yet he did in fight II. I've explained why Marquez was able to score knockdowns now explain how Pacquaio did when he couldn't in fight I (vs. Morales).

Also, good job on telling me what good fighters stopped or even beat prior to hooking up with Roach at a time when Roach had fighters fail tests.

look at the excuses now. not all punches landed the same now. they landed though right? that was the point!!! i dont remember which round but there was a time when marquez landed a shot that made manny's leg twisted as he was off balance. even then, marquez wasnt able to drop manny not even once!!!

[chrisJS]

he said it after the fight, he didnt get to use his choices of gloves!! he got to use his gloves in the rematch and what happen? LOL!!!!!!! you really just ask me this????

Haha, really the gloves excuse!! You really are a Pacquaio fan!! So, the gloves make that much difference on a great hall of famer like Morales?

So anything pro Pacquaio your completely sold on and is 100% but anything the other way you are the exact opposite? Hahaha

[WesternChamp]

Again, not all punches land the same. Pacquaio was hurt in fight I & II, but he also never got caught flat footed, square up, falling for a feint hands by his side as easy as Marquez caught him in round 3. NOT ALL PUNCHES LAND THE SAME. It's not a video game.

There was PED accusations but they were smaller. It took someone as big and outspoken as Floyd to bring it to light. Also, he stopped Hatton and Cotto in 2009. He also didn't knock Morales down with any punches in fight I, yet he did in fight II. I've explained why Marquez was able to score knockdowns now explain how Pacquaio did when he couldn't in fight I (vs. Morales).

Also, good job on telling me what good fighters stopped or even beat prior to hooking up with Roach at a time when Roach had fighters fail tests.

cotto was a tko NOT a ko. his last legit ko was against hatton. no ped accusation then. in fact, sr even trained hatton for that fight!

and i explained to you regarding pac vs morales 1. pac said he didnt get to use his choice of gloves. in the rematch, he got to use the gloves he wanted, and we saw what happen there!! why are you even bringing this up? did marquez ever make any claims as to why he wasnt able to drop manny in 1,2,3 fights??

[WesternChamp]

Haha, really the gloves excuse!! You really are a Pacquaio fan!! So, the gloves make that much difference on a great hall of famer like Morales?

So anything pro Pacquaio your completely sold on and is 100% but anything the other way you are the exact opposite? Hahaha

the glove excuse??? well, did he get to use the gloves he wanted in the rematch??? yes or no? did he get to use the gloves he wanted in the first fight? yes or no?

[WesternChamp]

Haha, really the gloves excuse!! You really are a Pacquaio fan!! So, the gloves make that much difference on a great hall of famer like Morales?

So anything pro Pacquaio your completely sold on and is 100% but anything the other way you are the exact opposite? Hahaha

no, i've called pac out before. im not a fan boy like you and the others on here.

i was just pointing out to the other poster that marquez didnt "handle" a prime manny like he said marquez did. that's when you came and quoted me.

[chrisJS]

look at the excuses now. not all punches landed the same now. they landed though right? that was the point!!! i dont remember which round but there was a time when marquez landed a shot that made manny's leg twisted as he was off balance. even then, marquez wasnt able to drop manny not even once!!!

They don't. I base that on me being able to watch boxing in a non emotional, objective manner.

Round 2 of fight II he twisted him at the bell yes. It was off a feint and landed. The bell went. Had the bell not gone he'd have had Pacquaio down then. If you disagree you are wrong. Any objective fan would tell you Marquez had him at that moment.

Pacquaio was failing to stop dudes in Asia at flyweight he was like 28-2 (18) before Roach and then suddenly he's rising through the weights fast speed stopping everyone and you don't bat an eyelid?

Are you biased?