Manny vs Crawford

[chrisJS]

yet i proved to you as to why he wasnt able to knock morales down in the first fight.

with marquez all you keep repeating is, bu bu but it was manny leg's, got tied up, knockdown LOL!!!


so the knockdown/outs had more to do with manny's leg position, than marquez timing and landing that perfect shot?

Oh my god, wow you don't understand the basics. It's a bit of both. ****, had Manny fought a defensive fight and ran all night and hugged all night he would likely have not been KO'd. Marquez is an expert counter puncher and carries pop but every knockout depends on the winner and the loser. If the recipient of the punch leaves his entire body 100% exposed with his hands down and moves at such pace thus creating more leverage he will add even more likelihood that he gets hurt. Marquez created it by being more aggressive and fighting Pacquaio's fight more than ever but had Pacquaio not fell for it and gotten too aggressive and too confident I don't think the KO happens no. it was a completely different fight because Marquez got robbed and realized in fight III he can't get a fair shake on the cards so he adjusted. Pacquaio was happy with the adjustment and got a little too excited.

Why can't you see this? You think every punch Marquez has ever thrown and landed are 100% identical. You just think fights are the same and it depends on what glove you use and that wins the fight. Very arbitrary if you ask me.

[chrisJS]

lol more excuses!! you know they fought 3 times prior to the 4th fight right? so are you telling me fight 1-3, there was always something happening that cause marquez not to land the shot with full impact? LOL!!!!

nobody said it was identical straight down to a tee!! im saying he landed the right on pac all 3 fights!!! and the floyd fans also said marquez landed that same right on manny so it wsasnt a lucky punch LOL

Yes, I know there was 3 fights prior. I was at all the fights.

Why was Sugar Ray Robinson able to stop Jake LaMotta in the SIXTH fight and none of the first 5? Was he 100% roided in that fight but not 1-5?

Awful point to make awful.

Was Michael Carbajal juiced in fight I for Chiquita and not fight II & III?

Was Pacquaio juiced in Bradley III since he couldn't knock him down or hurt him in fight I & II despite Bradley being injured in fight I?

Not even all fights between both guys are the same.

[WesternChamp]

Oh my god, wow you don't understand the basics. It's a bit of both. ****, had Manny fought a defensive fight and ran all night and hugged all night he would likely have not been KO'd. Marquez is an expert counter puncher and carries pop but every knockout depends on the winner and the loser. If the recipient of the punch leaves his entire body 100% exposed with his hands down and moves at such pace thus creating more leverage he will add even more likelihood that he gets hurt. Marquez created it by being more aggressive and fighting Pacquaio's fight more than ever but had Pacquaio not fell for it and gotten too aggressive and too confident I don't think the KO happens no. it was a completely different fight because Marquez got robbed and realized in fight III he can't get a fair shake on the cards so he adjusted. Pacquaio was happy with the adjustment and got a little too excited.

Why can't you see this? You think every punch Marquez has ever thrown and landed are 100% identical. You just think fights are the same and it depends on what glove you use and that wins the fight. Very arbitrary if you ask me.

excuses after excuses. who the **** said every punch marquez throws and land is 100% identical???? stop reaching!

[WesternChamp]

Yes, I know there was 3 fights prior. I was at all the fights.

Why was Sugar Ray Robinson able to stop Jake LaMotta in the SIXTH fight and none of the first 5? Was he 100% roided in that fight but not 1-5?

Awful point to make awful.

Was Michael Carbajal juiced in fight I for Chiquita and not fight II & III?

Was Pacquaio juiced in Bradley III since he couldn't knock him down or hurt him in fight I & II despite Bradley being injured in fight I?

Not even all fights between both guys are the same.

stop bringing up other fighters to compare. this is manny vs marquez. stop deflecting!!

they fought 3 times prior to the 4th fight! are you telling me all 3 fights, every time marquez landed that right, there is always something happening to cause the punch to not land perfectly?? lmao!!! the ****ing excuses this guy comes up with is crazy.

marquez landed CLEAN on manny all 4 fights!!!

[WesternChamp]

Yes, I know there was 3 fights prior. I was at all the fights.

Why was Sugar Ray Robinson able to stop Jake LaMotta in the SIXTH fight and none of the first 5? Was he 100% roided in that fight but not 1-5?

Awful point to make awful.

Was Michael Carbajal juiced in fight I for Chiquita and not fight II & III?

Was Pacquaio juiced in Bradley III since he couldn't knock him down or hurt him in fight I & II despite Bradley being injured in fight I?

Not even all fights between both guys are the same.

pac didnt knock bradley out cold in the 3rd did he? if all 2 fights they fought and pac couldnt even drop him then in the 3rd knocks him out clean, then yes, i would be su****ious of pac being dirty.

marquez couldnt even drop manny NOT once in all 3 fights, then knocks him out flat in the 4th. LOL!!!!

[chrisJS]

stop bringing up other fighters to compare. this is manny vs marquez. stop deflecting!!

they fought 3 times prior to the 4th fight! are you telling me all 3 fights, every time marquez landed that right, there is always something happening to cause the punch to not land perfectly?? lmao!!! the ****ing excuses this guy comes up with is crazy.

marquez landed CLEAN on manny all 4 fights!!!

If you can show me the exact two punches then fine but you can't.

Was there any point where Pacquaio stood with his feet tied and completely squared up and leaned back slightly and felt a full force punch from a Marquez who had two feet firmly planted on the floor with his full body into the shot?

Was there any point where Pacquaio got as aggressive as in round 6 and jumped into a full shot with one foot off the ground and completely head charging at such a pace?

Like I said. Show me. I saw him get tagged and hit clean yes, but I didn't see anything as clean or open as those two shots. What did the steroids help his timing, technique and control Pacquaio's mind into making those mistakes through over-confidence? Marquez fought more on the front foot than in any other fight and he also was more planted with his shots because like I said he got a raw deal in fight III and realized he can not get a fair shake on the cards so like a smart fighter he made an adjustment. Like a dumb fighter, Pacquaio got too aggressive, over confident and neglected his defense against a guy who's a master counter puncher and technician.

Your reaching, but what should I expect from someone who completely thinks Morales only won because of gloves.

I bring up other fights as a reference not a deflection. It's been shown in Boxing history many, many, MANY times before fights can be different and adjustments can be made. You think Marquez fought the same exact fight tactically. I don't. I understand Boxing better than you.

[WesternChamp]

If you can show me the exact two punches then fine but you can't.

Was there any point where Pacquaio stood with his feet tied and completely squared up and leaned back slightly and felt a full force punch from a Marquez who had two feet firmly planted on the floor with his full body into the shot?

Was there any point where Pacquaio got as aggressive as in round 6 and jumped into a full shot with one foot off the ground and completely head charging at such a pace?

Like I said. Show me. I saw him get tagged and hit clean yes, but I didn't see anything as clean or open as those two shots. What did the steroids help his timing, technique and control Pacquaio's mind into making those mistakes through over-confidence? Marquez fought more on the front foot than in any other fight and he also was more planted with his shots because like I said he got a raw deal in fight III and realized he can not get a fair shake on the cards so like a smart fighter he made an adjustment. Like a dumb fighter, Pacquaio got too aggressive, over confident and neglected his defense against a guy who's a master counter puncher and technician.

Your reaching, but what should I expect from someone who completely thinks Morales only won because of gloves.

I bring up other fights as a reference not a deflection. It's been shown in Boxing history many, many, MANY times before fights can be different and adjustments can be made. You think Marquez fought the same exact fight tactically. I don't. I understand Boxing better than you.

i dont need to show you the exact 2 punches. in fact, marquez landed cleaner and better punches in fight 1-2 than in the 4th! lmao!!! if anything, the 4th was marquez worst performance up until the ko!!

[chrisJS]

i dont need to show you the exact 2 punches. in fact, marquez landed cleaner and better punches in fight 1-2 than in the 4th! lmao!!! if anything, the 4th was marquez worst performance up until the ko!!

It was his worst performance due to fighting the type of fight he often doesn't fight for reasons stated, BUT the fact you think he landed cleaner punches than the KO in round 6 and even the clean punch in round 3 tells me your not viewing things rationally.

The KO punch was as clean as you can get and Pacquaio was as open as you can get. The fact you think there was no timing, technique, accuracy or that Pacquaio wasn't open or didn't see it coming tells me your far beyond reason and reality.

I think that's the ******est thing I've ever seen said on this place and that's saying something.

[WesternChamp]

If you can show me the exact two punches then fine but you can't.

Was there any point where Pacquaio stood with his feet tied and completely squared up and leaned back slightly and felt a full force punch from a Marquez who had two feet firmly planted on the floor with his full body into the shot?

Was there any point where Pacquaio got as aggressive as in round 6 and jumped into a full shot with one foot off the ground and completely head charging at such a pace?

Like I said. Show me. I saw him get tagged and hit clean yes, but I didn't see anything as clean or open as those two shots. What did the steroids help his timing, technique and control Pacquaio's mind into making those mistakes through over-confidence? Marquez fought more on the front foot than in any other fight and he also was more planted with his shots because like I said he got a raw deal in fight III and realized he can not get a fair shake on the cards so like a smart fighter he made an adjustment. Like a dumb fighter, Pacquaio got too aggressive, over confident and neglected his defense against a guy who's a master counter puncher and technician.

Your reaching, but what should I expect from someone who completely thinks Morales only won because of gloves.

I bring up other fights as a reference not a deflection. It's been shown in Boxing history many, many, MANY times before fights can be different and adjustments can be made. You think Marquez fought the same exact fight tactically. I don't. I understand Boxing better than you.

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was pac's legs not tied up that's why marquez couldnt knock him down or out? LOL!!

[chrisJS]

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was pac's legs not tied up that's why marquez couldnt knock him down or out? LOL!!

Again, you don't understand Boxing correctly.

Look at the first two punches. CLEARLY Pacquaio sees the punches coming (especially the first where he actually tries to counter even) and his hands lower but not even that far from his chin. He was able to take a bit of the sting off and even partially see them coming.

The second his hands don't drop that far and you can see Marquez reaches into the shot with one foot CLEARLY off the floor. I do maintain on that one if the round had 5 more seconds Pacquaio goes down but the bell went it doesn't stop the fact Marquez didn't have both feet planted and had to reach an extra bit on it.

Now do you need me to explain the differences between that and the KO shot again? Really? You shouldn't be posting on a Boxing forum if you need something so basic broken down.