Manny vs Crawford

[WesternChamp]

They don't. I base that on me being able to watch boxing in a non emotional, objective manner.

Round 2 of fight II he twisted him at the bell yes. It was off a feint and landed. The bell went. Had the bell not gone he'd have had Pacquaio down then. If you disagree you are wrong. Any objective fan would tell you Marquez had him at that moment.

Pacquaio was failing to stop dudes in Asia at flyweight he was like 28-2 (18) before Roach and then suddenly he's rising through the weights fast speed stopping everyone and you don't bat an eyelid?

Are you biased?

lol more excuses!! so if the round didnt end, he would have dropped manny? LOL!! why didnt he dropped manny with 1 punch like he did in the 4th fight???

[WesternChamp]

They don't. I base that on me being able to watch boxing in a non emotional, objective manner.

Round 2 of fight II he twisted him at the bell yes. It was off a feint and landed. The bell went. Had the bell not gone he'd have had Pacquaio down then. If you disagree you are wrong. Any objective fan would tell you Marquez had him at that moment.

Pacquaio was failing to stop dudes in Asia at flyweight he was like 28-2 (18) before Roach and then suddenly he's rising through the weights fast speed stopping everyone and you don't bat an eyelid?

Are you biased?

pac was off balance so it would have been easier to knock him down right?? LOL!! he made manny do the stanky leg.

[WesternChamp]

They don't. I base that on me being able to watch boxing in a non emotional, objective manner.

Round 2 of fight II he twisted him at the bell yes. It was off a feint and landed. The bell went. Had the bell not gone he'd have had Pacquaio down then. If you disagree you are wrong. Any objective fan would tell you Marquez had him at that moment.

Pacquaio was failing to stop dudes in Asia at flyweight he was like 28-2 (18) before Roach and then suddenly he's rising through the weights fast speed stopping everyone and you don't bat an eyelid?

Are you biased?

so you're trying to justify why he wasnt able to knock manny down in the 2nd fight, round 2, yet you explained why he was able to knock manny down in the 4th fight, and the reasons you used is the exact reason!! LOL!!

It wasn't the "same" right he wasn't jumping in with the full force of his body in those bouts. Well, the KD in round 3 is easy. He was square up, fell for a feint and his feet were not positioned well. He was hardly moving away he was right there on the end of the punch.

[Mr Objecitivity]

There's always been testing. However he said no to a needle and once their was scrutiny he stopped wrecking dudes. Dude, no KO's in 8 years? That's some Paulie Malignaggi stuff. In fact Paulie stopped a guy in that time.

Old faded Mosley had stopped Margarito.

Rios was stopped like the following year by pillow hands Rios.

It wasn't the "same" right he wasn't jumping in with the full force of his body in those bouts. Well, the KD in round 3 is easy. He was square up, fell for a feint and his feet were not positioned well. He was hardly moving away he was right there on the end of the punch.

Your nitpicking too much. Why was Pacquaio not able to drop Morales in fight I, but he did in fight II for example?

You must be either very new to the sport or very biased to think every punch is equal. There's millions of instances of punches landing differently despite it's technique being similar. It's not a video game.

I'm not really a Manny Pacquiao fan but the reason why he stopped knocking AS MANY OPPONENTS out as he stepped up in weight divisions can be explained by a very simple explanation. His opponents became heavier and heavier.

Historically, when opponents become heavier for a boxer, their knockout percentage on average decreases.

[chrisJS]

cotto was a tko NOT a ko. his last legit ko was against hatton. no ped accusation then. in fact, sr even trained hatton for that fight!

and i explained to you regarding pac vs morales 1. pac said he didnt get to use his choice of gloves. in the rematch, he got to use the gloves he wanted, and we saw what happen there!! why are you even bringing this up? did marquez ever make any claims as to why he wasnt able to drop manny in 1,2,3 fights??

Ko, TKO stoppage. He brutalized Cotto.

I am bringing up the Morales fight because it's as ridiculous as bringing up the early Marquez fights as proof. Less ridiculous since it was an almost immediate re-match and Marquez-Pacquaio had nearly 4 years between fights.

The gloves was a ridiculous excuse and a stretch for a fighter struggling to come to terms with what had just happened. If you believe gloves lost him fight I and won him fight II I think your beyond help.

[WesternChamp]

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It wasn't the "same" right he wasn't jumping in with the full force of his body in those bouts. Well, the KD in round 3 is easy. He was square up, fell for a feint and his feet were not positioned well. He was hardly moving away he was right there on the end of the punch..

he pulled back!! look at the knock down again!! roach even said it after the round that he got caught because he pulled back instead of ducking it.

pulled back meaning he lean back!! im not saying he was moving away!!

[WesternChamp]

Ko, TKO stoppage. He brutalized Cotto.

I am bringing up the Morales fight because it's as ridiculous as bringing up the early Marquez fights as proof. Less ridiculous since it was an almost immediate re-match and Marquez-Pacquaio had nearly 4 years between fights.

The gloves was a ridiculous excuse and a stretch for a fighter struggling to come to terms with what had just happened. If you believe gloves lost him fight I and won him fight II I think your beyond help.

no its not and i proved it to you!!!! in the first morales fight, manny came out and said he didnt get to use his choice of gloves. am i lying???

in the rematch, manny got to use his choices of gloves and we saw what happen to morales, why are you even questioning this???

did marquez ever said he wasnt able to hurt manny or drop him because he didnt get to use his choices of gloves????

[chrisJS]

so you're trying to justify why he wasnt able to knock manny down in the 2nd fight, round 2, yet you explained why he was able to knock manny down in the 4th fight, and the reasons you used is the exact reason!! LOL!!

Very different.

Fight II. Fell for a feint and was stunned. His feet were positioned well and Marquez actually had a foot off the ground.

Fight III. Fell for a feint, HAD HIS FEET POSITIONED POORLY, WAS SQUARE UP and Marquez had his own feet better positioned (both planted too) and a clearer opening.

Again, it's not a video game.

[chrisJS]

he pulled back!! look at the knock down again!! roach even said it after the round that he got caught because he pulled back instead of ducking it.

pulled back meaning he lean back!! im not saying he was moving away!!

Yes, so if you pull back and the connection is clean you are even more likely to go down then a punch at normal or mid range. Have you ever boxed? It tied his feet up and when you do that and are square up a clean shoot can and probably will drop you.

He didn't take any of the sting off the shot he took it full on at the end of the shot.

I can't believe I am on a Boxing message board having to explain something so simple.

[bambam182]

pac-roid is nothing but a stepping stone now.