Manny vs Crawford

[WesternChamp]

Very different.

Fight II. Fell for a feint and was stunned. His feet were positioned well and Marquez actually had a foot off the ground.

Fight III. Fell for a feint, HAD HIS FEET POSITIONED POORLY, WAS SQUARE UP and Marquez had his own feet better positioned (both planted too) and a clearer opening.

Again, it's not a video game.

more excuses!! LOL!!!

fight 2, he got caught off balance and did the stanky leg ( no knockdown)

fight 3, he was actually pulling away (leaning back). (knockdown)

[WesternChamp]

Very different.

Fight II. Fell for a feint and was stunned. His feet were positioned well and Marquez actually had a foot off the ground.

Fight III. Fell for a feint, HAD HIS FEET POSITIONED POORLY, WAS SQUARE UP and Marquez had his own feet better positioned (both planted too) and a clearer opening.

Again, it's not a video game.

so you're trying to convince me that the knockdown only happen because of manny and not marquez? LOL!! holy shiiet thats a first. LOL

[chrisJS]

more excuses!! LOL!!!

fight 2, he got caught off balance and did the stanky leg ( no knockdown)

fight 3, he was actually pulling away (leaning back). (knockdown)

Not excuses facts.

Any rationale fan would back up what I have said. Your brainwashed and biased. It is what it is. Like I said it's not a video game and you don't sound like you even tried Boxing for yourself that you don't understand not all punches are equal and even the basic aspects.

[WesternChamp]

Yes, so if you pull back and the connection is clean you are even more likely to go down then a punch at normal or mid range. Have you ever boxed? It tied his feet up and when you do that and are square up a clean shoot can and probably will drop you.

He didn't take any of the sting off the shot he took it full on at the end of the shot.

I can't believe I am on a Boxing message board having to explain something so simple.

stfu!!! so it tied his feet up?

but in the 2nd fight when marquez made him do the stanky leg, he wasnt off balance? his legs were tied up?

[WesternChamp]

Not excuses facts.

Any rationale fan would back up what I have said. Your brainwashed and biased. It is what it is. Like I said it's not a video game and you don't sound like you even tried Boxing for yourself that you don't understand not all punches are equal and even the basic aspects.

its not a video game? and you have the nerve to bring up pac vs morales 1 saying why pac didnt knock morales down or out when you're here trying to justify the type of punches landed for pac vs marquez LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[chrisJS]

so you're trying to convince me that the knockdown only happen because of manny and not marquez? LOL!! holy shiiet thats a first. LOL

It happened due to both. Manny made it easier and Marquez committed more. I still maintain Pacquaio would have been down and maybe out had the bell not sounded in fight II round 2.

You are viewing boxing too basic and not as the sweet science if you think Marquez' perfect counter right hand to Pacquaio who put his full body into the shot was the same technique and circumstances and amount of leverage given by the opponent was just any old shot. Why didn't Marquez knock out Senchenko, Pacquaio in fight III, Alvarado or Bradley? You are implying he roided and that if you put a roid in your body you immediately knock your opponent out with so much as a jab.

It seems like your viewing as a naive child. "Well, he did this so he should have done that" when you should know Boxing is more complicated than that especially at a high level.

[chrisJS]

its not a video game? and you have the nerve to bring up pac vs morales 1 saying why pac didnt knock morales down or out when you're here trying to justify the type of punches landed for pac vs marquez LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I brought that fight up to show you that it's an asinine point to make as no two fights are similar and don't always play out the same. I was using your logic against you. It wasn't my point to prove anything beyond hypocrisy from you there.

[chrisJS]

stfu!!! so it tied his feet up?

but in the 2nd fight when marquez made him do the stanky leg, he wasnt off balance? his legs were tied up?

No they weren't and Marquez also was slightly off balance and not in as good a position as he was in round 3 fight IV when his feet were planted and he put his whole body into the punch.

How you think those two shots are identical shows insane levels of naivety and lack of understanding of the basic fundamentals of the sport.

[WesternChamp]

I brought that fight up to show you that it's an asinine point to make as no two fights are similar and don't always play out the same. I was using your logic against you. It wasn't my point to prove anything beyond hypocrisy from you there.

yet i proved to you as to why he wasnt able to knock morales down in the first fight.

with marquez all you keep repeating is, bu bu but it was manny leg's, got tied up, knockdown LOL!!!


so the knockdown/outs had more to do with manny's leg position, than marquez timing and landing that perfect shot?

[WesternChamp]

No they weren't and Marquez also was slightly off balance and not in as good a position as he was in round 3 fight IV when his feet were planted and he put his whole body into the punch.

How you think those two shots are identical shows insane levels of naivety and lack of understanding of the basic fundamentals of the sport.

lol more excuses!! you know they fought 3 times prior to the 4th fight right? so are you telling me fight 1-3, there was always something happening that cause marquez not to land the shot with full impact? LOL!!!!

nobody said it was identical straight down to a tee!! im saying he landed the right on pac all 3 fights!!! and the floyd fans also said marquez landed that same right on manny so it wsasnt a lucky punch LOL