Deontay Wilder vs Anthony Joshua Breakdown & Prediction

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  • john l
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    #21
    Originally posted by Sheldon312
    Im basing my observation on the fact that Wilder is still very flawed compared to Joshua. Yes, Joshua gasses but Wilder has bad balance, footwork, leave his chin up, and his only weapon is that straight right. Wilder has power but it is being overrated. When Vitali, Wlad, Tyson, and Foreman were fighting bums they literally were in 95 to 100% KO ration. When they stepped up they couldn't just rely on their power. Someone will get dropped that's for sure. I'm just one of those guys who feel that fundamentals + skills beats power + athleticism. Wilder is just too flawed imo and he hasn't fought anyone that has given him the experience over Joshua. White and Takkam would've beaten Stiverne imo.
    I just think your underestimating his jab and power some and his footwork is akward but not as bad as a lot of people think.One punch for one punch I think he hits harder then all those you named but Foreman.But he still has much to work on like keeping hands up esp right.Some like to throw that fast snappy jab from hip.would not mind him putting just a little more weight on legs and azz lol but not much cant lose that speed.

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    • keith_head
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      #22
      Stylewise I think it's a terrible match up for AJ.

      Joshua will struggle against any athlete who's able to move, which is largely why he's been matched up with guys not known for dancing around the ring. Wilder gets around the ring much quicker than him and also has much better stamina. If AJ gases at ANY stage in the fight Wilder will finish him.

      I think AJ's best chance would be an early KO. If it goes past round 5 I'd back Wilder heavily.

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        #23
        Originally posted by Sheldon312
        Im basing my observation on the fact that Wilder is still very flawed compared to Joshua. Yes, Joshua gasses but Wilder has bad balance, footwork, leave his chin up, and his only weapon is that straight right. Wilder has power but it is being overrated. When Vitali, Wlad, Tyson, and Foreman were fighting bums they literally were in 95 to 100% KO ration. When they stepped up they couldn't just rely on their power. Someone will get dropped that's for sure. I'm just one of those guys who feel that fundamentals + skills beats power + athleticism. Wilder is just too flawed imo and he hasn't fought anyone that has given him the experience over Joshua. White and Takkam would've beaten Stiverne imo.
        also needs to tightin that hook.But with that jab workin like last nite(and 1st fight)and behind great st8 right he can do all kinds of damage.And he keeps his distance just right except when he gets them hurt lol

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          #24
          Crap breakdown. Wilder is longer and faster.

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            #25
            Originally posted by keith_head
            Stylewise I think it's a terrible match up for AJ.

            Joshua will struggle against any athlete who's able to move, which is largely why he's been matched up with guys not known for dancing around the ring. Wilder gets around the ring much quicker than him and also has much better stamina. If AJ gases at ANY stage in the fight Wilder will finish him.

            I think AJ's best chance would be an early KO. If it goes past round 5 I'd back Wilder heavily.
            After last 2 weeks that's way I'm leaning.If Joshua can get some of that mucle off I might change maybe

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              #26
              Originally posted by Sheldon312
              I understand that but I think you are just basing it strictly off Wilder's power. Many of you guys think Wilder's power = Joshua's superior resume, fundamentals, counter-punching, and skill and I think that's lazy analytics. It's like me saying Thurman beats Crawford because he has one-punch knockout power. You have to look at the entire body of work of both fighters. You can't just say Fighter A hits harder than Fighter B and say fighter B wins.
              Resume comes into it but styles make fights.

              Wilder has had a protected resume but you'd be naive to think that Joshua's opponent hadn't been hand-picked too. Both of their managers have picked opponents that match up well for them.

              Wilder's length and athleticism and speed around the ring - even if it looks uncoordinated and sloppy - is something that AJ's team have deliberately avoided.

              Look at the way someone like Breazeale moves vs the way Wilder moves. It's night and day.

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                #27
                Originally posted by john l
                I just think your underestimating his jab and power some and his footwork is akward but not as bad as a lot of people think.One punch for one punch I think he hits harder then all those you named but Foreman.But he still has much to work on like keeping hands up esp right.Some like to throw that fast snappy jab from hip.would not mind him putting just a little more weight on legs and azz lol but not much cant lose that speed.
                When it comes to punching power it's kind of hard to analyze. There was a trainer who sparred both Wlad and Foreman and said that Wlad hit harder than Foreman. You also had Roch who said that Wlad hit harder than Tyson which I find kind of hard to believe. When it comes to Deontay's footwork, it is bad. He crosses his feet, when he punches his back foot goes in front of his front foot, and his balance is pretty bad.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Sheldon312
                  When it comes to punching power it's kind of hard to analyze. There was a trainer who sparred both Wlad and Foreman and said that Wlad hit harder than Foreman. You also had Roch who said that Wlad hit harder than Tyson which I find kind of hard to believe. When it comes to Deontay's footwork, it is bad. He crosses his feet, when he punches his back foot goes in front of his front foot, and his balance is pretty bad.
                  Balance is bad at times but he moves much quicker on his feet then Joshua. And always keeping guys at end of punches is good part of good footwork.Unless he has a guy hurt then its "Katie bar the door"

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by keith_head
                    Resume comes into it but styles make fights.

                    Wilder has had a protected resume but you'd be naive to think that Joshua's opponent hadn't been hand-picked too. Both of their managers have picked opponents that match up well for them.

                    Wilder's length and athleticism and speed around the ring - even if it looks uncoordinated and sloppy - is something that AJ's team have deliberately avoided.

                    Look at the way someone like Breazeale moves vs the way Wilder moves. It's night and day.
                    Idc about how Wilder moves to be honest with you. Being sloppy and uncoordinated will always end up catching up to you. "Styles Make fights?" Exactly how does Wilder's style pose a threat to Wilder? When it comes to handpick opponents for both you may be right, but that doesn't change the fact that Joshua has fought better fighters compared to Wilder. Like I said, it is not Wilder's fault that he didn't get the chance to fight Povertkin and Stiverne but I am not giving him credit for fights that didn't happen.

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                    • keith_head
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by Sheldon312
                      You also had Roch who said that Wlad hit harder than Tyson which I find kind of hard to believe.
                      I don't find that hard to believe at all. The guy has 53 KOs on his resume and one of the best straight rights ever.

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