Deontay Wilder vs Anthony Joshua Breakdown & Prediction

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  • Sheldon312
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    Deontay Wilder vs Anthony Joshua Breakdown & Prediction

    If you would’ve asked most boxing fans a couple months ago who would win between Joshua and Wilder, the vote would be a majority in favor of Joshua by KO. Now, after knocking out former WBC Champion Bermane Stiverne in the early first round in brutal fashion, you have many favoring Wilder to stop Joshua in the early rounds. But after watching countless footage and fights of both men and analyzing each of their resumes and skill sets, I don’t think the ball should be in Wilder’s favor if/when they do fight each other.

    Resume

    First, let’s take a look at both men’s resume. Wilder’s top four best wins are against Stiverne (who he has beaten twice), Spilka, Washington, and Aerola. Joshua’s top four best wins are against Kitchsko, Whyte, Martin, and Takkam. As you can see, by comparing both fighter’s resume, it is very clear that Joshua has the better resume by a mile. Joshua’s win against Wlad is ten times better than Stiverne which is Wilder’s best win. I also consider Whyte and Takkam to be head and shoulders above Aerola, Washington, and Stiverne. So, I believe the experience advantage is in Joshua’s favor since he has fought better fighters compared to Wilder. I understand that the Wlad that Joshua fought was out of his prime but I still hold that win in higher regards because that Wlad is clearly better than any fighter Wilder has fought. I also believe that the Wlad from the Joshua fight would beat Wilder(that is a debate for another time)

    Skills and Physicality

    Now, let’s look at the skills and physicality of both men. Wilder is 6”7 with an 83” reach while Anthony Joshua is 6”6 with an 82” reach. Wilder is the taller fighter with more reach while Anthony Joshua is the physically stronger fighter (Joshua weighs in at 250 while Wilder weighs in a 227.) Both men have immense punching power (Wilder has won 38 of his 39 bouts by KO and Joshua has won all 20 of his fights by KO) Looking at both, I would say Wilder has the better raw power compared to Joshua but it is not by much. If I was to rate both fighter’s power on a scale from 1 to 10, it would be Wilder with 9.5 and Joshua with a solid 9. Wilder wins in the departments of stamina, hand speed, athleticism, height, reach, power (not by much), and he also has a pretty good jab and has improved it immensely. But outside of those categories he doesn’t do anything else better than Joshua. Joshua has the better footwork, balance, defense, jab, tools, combinations, and he is able to knock his opponents out in more of a variety of ways.

    Conclusion/Who would win?

    I have this fight 60/40 in favor of Joshua. I think Joshua is the more skilled and polished fighter plus he has the advantage in experience since he has fought much better fighters. Now, let me be clear, it is not Wilder’s fault that his potential best opponents all got busted for PEDs. We just cannot give him credit for fights that didn’t happen. Povetkin and Ortiz are levels above Stiverne, Washington, Spilka, and Aerola so I don’t know if Wilder would’ve won those fights or not. Sure, Wilder has great one-punch power but we have seen, in the past, that when a fighter steps up in competition their KO% goes down.

    Now, there are some flaws that Joshua have that Wilder could exploit. I know many of you are thinking, “Well, what about when Wlad dropped Joshua with a right hand? That’s Wilder’s bread and butter?” You are correct but Wlad punches with better technique and he doesn’t telegraph his right hand like Wilder does. And let’s not forget that Wlad is one of the top 10 hardest punching heavyweights in boxing history with a better resume compared to Wilder. What’s so impressive about Joshua in that bout against Wlad is the fact that he got up, recovered, and ended up stopping Wlad. I don’t think Wilder would’ve been able to do the same due to the fact that no fighter has ever taken him into deep waters. Joshua does have stamina issues which could potentially put him in harms way against Wilder but he makes up for it with his superior boxing skill set. I also believe that the Wladimir fight made Joshua a much better fighter. I noticed in the Takkam fight that Joshua wasn’t getting hit with the straight right as much which is essential against a guy like Wilder.

    Wilder may be the better athlete with the better power but there are a lot more flaws that Joshua can exploit compared to the flaws that Wilder could exploit against Joshua. For one, Wilder has a tendency to be off balance when he throws punches. Don’t believe me? Go back and watch Wilder vs Spitzka, Wilder vs Stiverne 1, and Wilder vs Molina. It wouldn’t take much for Joshua to counter and drop Wilder who gets clumsy at times. I’ve also noticed that Wilder has a tendency to throw punches with his chin up. The first thing a boxer learns when he starts boxing is to never leave your chin up. Always keep your chin tucked with your guard up. We saw what happened to Wlad when Joshua hit him with an uppercut. This particular tendency would put Wilder in the line of fire against Joshua’s uppercuts which could potentially lead to a KO. Wilder’s footwork has progressed but it’s still below average compared to other boxers. Footwork and balance is essential in boxing especially in the heavyweight division. What’s impressive about Wilder is how good of a finisher he is. When Wilder has you hurt, he goes in for the kill. That’s fine, so long as you don’t go in swinging wildly. Did I also forget to mention that Joshua is the better counterpuncher with better accuracy? I think if Wilder was to try to go in and windmill against Joshua he would get countered and potentially stopped. Joshua has too much of a high boxing iq to just sit there and let Wilder T off on him like that. All in all this is a 60/40 fight favoring Joshua in my opinion. The lack of quality opposition will come back and haunt Wilder, and Joshua is just the better overall fighter. Thoughts?
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    The first time I saw Wilder fight I was appalled. The announcers were touting him as the next great American fighter. I didn't think he was much of a boxer. However he can punch. Hard.. It may come down to who has the better chin. If Wilder knocks down Joshua he won't let him off the hook. Overall Joshua will probably win by KO.

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      Originally posted by TonyGe
      The first time I saw Wilder fight I was appalled. The announcers were touting him as the next great American fighter. I didn't think he was much of a boxer. However he can punch. Hard.. It may come down to who has the better chin. If Wilder knocks down Joshua he won't let him off the hook. Overall Joshua will probably win by KO.
      Wilder swing wide and wild. Joshua will counter him and knock him down. Joshua is not going to be ****** and just let Wilder T off on him. That's the part that you are missing.

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        Fighters have patterns

        Beyond any breakdown of resumes or trying to quantify ability, that matters more than anything.

        Both fighters are good, but there are holes in both games.

        Maybe it's something that can be corrected in the gym, but besides the seeming stamina issues (Joshua's in really good shape, but his build seems to max out at giving a hard 6-8 rounds before he hits that fatigue wall, that seems to take 2 rounds before the second wind kicks in), Joshua's style is susceptible to a well timed shovel/check/lead hook. Whyte hurt him with it, Klitschko hurt him with it, and Takam was able to land with it. Wilder's left hook is a nasty punch, and he uses it well.

        In terms of Wilder (the Stiverne fight really didn't do much to show any correction), he still pulls straight back when compelled to engage on the opponent's terms. Saw some of that in the first Stiverne fight and the Szpilka fight, but the more glaring image can be seen if you go back and watch some Mark Breland fights. If Joshua showed that he was pretty comfortable punching with Klitschko, so there goes that.

        Who controls range and who delivers their bomb first will determine the fight. Battle of the jabs early, Joshua will see if he can get inside of that lead and put Wilder on the backfoot, Wilder will probe to see if his opening for that hook is there. Dueling pistols from then on

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          Good post. I also think location, could be worth as much as +10%/-10%. Joshua has not been on the road and Wilder has some experience but not for big fights. If it is at Wembley then it massively in Joshua's favour as I think Wilder would wilt under the pressure.

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            Originally posted by Dr_Calvin
            Good post. I also think location, could be worth as much as +10%/-10%. Joshua has not been on the road and Wilder has some experience but not for big fights. If it is at Wembley then it massively in Joshua's favour as I think Wilder would wilt under the pressure.
            Anywhere the fight takes place is advantage for Joshua.

            Its like putting a novice piano player in front of a local play where a few hundred will be watching. This would be wilder.

            Too that of someone playing at the Met Opera in N.Y where the greatest musicians play which would be Joshua....lol


            This is the type of nerve setting that you wont rattle Joshua under any circumstances. so it comes down to skill and abiliies ,both will be focused but only one will have a clear edge if the crowd is a factor.

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              Originally posted by Scipio2009
              Beyond any breakdown of resumes or trying to quantify ability, that matters more than anything.

              Both fighters are good, but there are holes in both games.

              Maybe it's something that can be corrected in the gym, but besides the seeming stamina issues (Joshua's in really good shape, but his build seems to max out at giving a hard 6-8 rounds before he hits that fatigue wall, that seems to take 2 rounds before the second wind kicks in), Joshua's style is susceptible to a well timed shovel/check/lead hook. Whyte hurt him with it, Klitschko hurt him with it, and Takam was able to land with it. Wilder's left hook is a nasty punch, and he uses it well.

              In terms of Wilder (the Stiverne fight really didn't do much to show any correction), he still pulls straight back when compelled to engage on the opponent's terms. Saw some of that in the first Stiverne fight and the Szpilka fight, but the more glaring image can be seen if you go back and watch some Mark Breland fights. If Joshua showed that he was pretty comfortable punching with Klitschko, so there goes that.

              Who controls range and who delivers their bomb first will determine the fight. Battle of the jabs early, Joshua will see if he can get inside of that lead and put Wilder on the backfoot, Wilder will probe to see if his opening for that hook is there. Dueling pistols from then on
              That depends on who throws the first bomb. I think if Wilder throws the first bomb and is effective he will go for the kill and start windmilling which will put him in the position of getting countered. Joshua is not going to just sit there and let him t off on him. If Joshua lands the first bomb, I don't know how Wilder will react. That's how huge a disparity is between Wilder and Joshua's resume. I know what i'm going to get from Joshua at this point but I don't know about Wilder. I sure as hell wish that Wilder would've fought Ortiz and Povetkin. The outcomes of those two fights would've really told the whole story about what Wilder is really made of.

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              • Sheldon312
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                #8
                Originally posted by Dr_Calvin
                Good post. I also think location, could be worth as much as +10%/-10%. Joshua has not been on the road and Wilder has some experience but not for big fights. If it is at Wembley then it massively in Joshua's favour as I think Wilder would wilt under the pressure.
                Interesting point. I'm pretty sure fight will take place in London since the ball will be in Joshua's court. I don't know how well Wilder will react to the pressure. It's not like there has been a fighter who has taken him into deep waters.

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                  Wilder has a good, stiff jab. Yes he is known for his wild windmill punches but the first knockdown last night was a straight right hand right on the button, thrown following a jab.

                  Joshua has very slow feet...yes beating Wlad was historical especially after surviving a brutal knockdown...but Wlad was the polar opposite of Wilder who moves around a lot better. And Joshua has no stamina.

                  I can see a great fight here..Lyle-Foreman all over again.

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                    Originally posted by Mooshashi
                    Wilder has a good, stiff jab. Yes he is known for his wild windmill punches but the first knockdown last night was a straight right hand right on the button, thrown following a jab.

                    Joshua has very slow feet...yes beating Wlad was historical especially after surviving a brutal knockdown...but Wlad was the polar opposite of Wilder who moves around a lot better. And Joshua has no stamina.

                    I can see a great fight here..Lyle-Foreman all over again.
                    Yes, Wilder moves around but still that Wlad that Joshua fought is head and shoulders above Wilder in every department except athleticism and maybe hand speed. Hell, power might be equal. Plus, it is well known that Wilder likes to windmill when he has his opponent hurt. That would be ****** against a great counter-puncher like Joshua.

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