Is the WBO a worthless belt? Kovalev vs Shabranskyy

[Lou Cipher]

Then why are the titles worth so much less at purse bid?

Why does their heavyweight title struggle to get on TV?


What alternate universe are you living in? Clearly the world values the other 3 above the WBO. Most legitimate title? Are you nuts? Hearn runs the UK and barely bothers with the WBO, leaving Warren to monopolize it. Haymon runs the US and barely bothers with the WBO, leaving Arum to monopolize it.

Nobody in the sport values the WBO above the others. It's a last resort.

By your logic Conor McGregor is the 3rd most legitimate fighter in Boxing behind Manny and Floyd.

Didn't say anything about which makes the most money or is used as a pawn the most by leech promoters to fool casual ****head fans like yourself into putting value on dud fighters. I said most legitimate. I probably gave too much credit to whoever started this thread by assuming they equated worth to legitimacy in terms of glory. Not monetary value. In that case, no titles are worthless because they all perform the same function, to trick consumers into believing they are getting more value for their money.

This fighter is a "champion"

This shoe is endorsed by Michael Jordan

This car is #1 rated for safety

etc, etc, etc


Stop consuming and start learning.

[Mammoth]

Look at their garbage rankings. WBO sucks.

[boliodogs]

The WBO has some of the weakest champions and challengers. They might be the weakest of the four major belts. What is really bad is you will have a boxer ranked number 1 by a couple of the big 4 and not ranked even in the top 15 by the other two. There is no consistency among them at all. Horn is defending his title against a guy ranked 70th by boxrec so how good could he be?

[GMAN SUPREME]

So many no name champions and now you have Kovalev fighting for the WBO belt against Vyacheslav Shabranskyy, who probably isnt even a top 10 guy in the division

Its like Miguel Cotto winning the WBO belt, he beat Yoshihiro Kamegai whos terrible and lost to ***in Alfonso Gomez. Hell Cotto at this point isnt even a top 5 guy in the LMW divsion.

Another example is Liam Smith being WBO champion, he beat some guy called John Thompson to become champ. Like is John Thompson is a top 10 guy or even World level?

Seems like they just give title shots to any bum, and feed that bum to popular champions who draw crowds like Canelo, Cotto etc

I guess terence crawford is a ****ty no name champion

[N/A]

Didn't say anything about which makes the most money

So how can it be the championship of the world if the world says otherwise?

The other belts go for more at purse bid because the boxing world regards them as more important.

The WBO literally does whatever Arum and Warren want them to. It's technically a world title, but barely. It's essentially the in house Bob Arum title, with Warren and a couple others fighting for crumbs.

But the top promoters and managers pursue the other titles as their first choice because they know the fans regard the other titles as more legitimate.

We've now had several WBO world heavyweight title fights, in a row, fail to get live US TV coverage, if they even get any coverage at all. You can't seriously tell me the world considers the WBO belt the true heavyweight championship of the world. Because they don't. They never have and they never will.

The WBO has come a long way. Good for them. Seriously. It's impressive that the WBA's disgraced and fired bribe taker was able to create a new group out of thin air and eventually gain recognition with the help of Bob Arum, just as Arum had previously put the IBF on the map (and tried to put the IBA on the map).

But to suggest for one second that the WBO is the most "legit" title is so ****ing ****** we don't even know where to begin. It wasn't that long ago that Corrie Sanders threw it in the garbage to jump at the chance to fight for a real world title that had become vacant.

Andy Ruiz fought for the vacant WBO heavyweight championship of the world!!!! Please tell me what his best win was. Where did you have him ranked? Was he even in your top 10 at the time?!?!?

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I agree WBO always was last but now do any real boxing fans value any of them. to me they are not champs they are titleholders,i belive the real champ is THE RING champ or lineal champ

Ring magazine title is completely meaningless. Oscar De La Hoya bought the magazine and changed all the rules, and started making up rules as he went along, to benefit HBO whenever possible and to harm SHO whenever possible.

Nobody in the industry takes the magazine belt seriously anymore. How could you? De La Hoya owns it. It's his own personal championship. It's got no credibility whatsoever and has nothing to do with lineal anymore and Ring now has selectively enforced "mandatories" so they can strip SHO fighters whenever they want.

Clearly boxing fans value the WBC, WBA and IBF titles, as do the boxers. Most of the greatest and most famous fights of the last 50+ years were fought for those belts.

Lineal titles are meaningless now. Everyone knows Joshua would destroy Fury. So what does Fury's "lineal" title mean? Nothing. Joshua is forced to face top contenders to keep his belts. Fury can do coke and never fight and stay champ. Ludicrous.

[Lou Cipher]

So how can it be the championship of the world if the world says otherwise?

The other belts go for more at purse bid because the boxing world regards them as more important.

The WBO literally does whatever Arum and Warren want them to. It's technically a world title, but barely. It's essentially the in house Bob Arum title, with Warren and a couple others fighting for crumbs.

But the top promoters and managers pursue the other titles as their first choice because they know the fans regard the other titles as more legitimate.

We've now had several WBO world heavyweight title fights, in a row, fail to get live US TV coverage, if they even get any coverage at all. You can't seriously tell me the world considers the WBO belt the true heavyweight championship of the world. Because they don't. They never have and they never will.

The WBO has come a long way. Good for them. Seriously. It's impressive that the WBA's disgraced and fired bribe taker was able to create a new group out of thin air and eventually gain recognition with the help of Bob Arum, just as Arum had previously put the IBF on the map (and tried to put the IBA on the map).

But to suggest for one second that the WBO is the most "legit" title is so ****ing ****** we don't even know where to begin. It wasn't that long ago that Corrie Sanders threw it in the garbage to jump at the chance to fight for a real world title that had become vacant.

Andy Ruiz fought for the vacant WBO heavyweight championship of the world!!!! Please tell me what his best win was. Where did you have him ranked? Was he even in your top 10 at the time?!?!?

You clearly don't know much about the history of the other 3.

Here's your Google assignment for tonight:

Google WBC Roy Jones Graciano Rocchigiani. Then google Ray Leonard Super Middleweight WBC

Google IBF Tyson Fury Charles Martin Vyacheslav Glazkov. In fact, also google IBF Larry Holmes to get an idea where it even came to prominence.

WBA...if you even slightly take this title seriously anymore, just make a list of every Champion in every weight class from 147 up. Regular, super, interim, all of them.

Then we will talk.

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You clearly don't know much about the history of the other 3.

Even our biggest detractors would admit we know much more than most about the history of the WBC, WBA and IBF.

There's nothing you can post about them that will compare to the WBA's bribe taker being publicly outed, disgraced, and fired, forcing him to start the WBO because he was blackballed by everybody else when Bob Arum went public about all of the bribes he paid him.

That is the WBO's founder. It was literally created by the confirmed mastermind of the most corrupt and blatant bribery racket in the history of boxing, even worse than the scandal that landed the IBF president in jail.

The worst thing you listed about the WBC is that they tried to reinstate the real light heavyweight champion.

The worst thing you listed about the IBF is that they were forced to strip Fury after Fury broke his promise to face their mandatory and hid his rematch clause from the IBF after lying to them. IBF had no choice but to strip him. There was a binding contract Fury was refusing to honor. Shows how little you know about the things you're (poorly) attempting to discuss.

[Lou Cipher]

Even our biggest detractors would admit we know much more than most about the history of the WBC, WBA and IBF.

Well I say you know less than nothing. You're a newjack to the sport CLEARLY. Normally I'd tell you to go suck your own ****....but instead I will tell you to spend about 10 years researching the history of these titles, then come speak to me, then I will still shut you down in 5 seconds, THEN I'll tell you to go suck your own ****.

2027 I'll be waiting for you, ****** ass.

[N/A]

Well I say you know less than nothing. You're a newjack to the sport CLEARLY. Normally I'd tell you to go suck your own ****....but instead I will tell you to spend about 10 years researching the history of these titles, then come speak to me, then I will still shut you down in 5 seconds, THEN I'll tell you to go suck your own ****.

We've been researching these organizations for 30+ years. We're happy to discuss anything about them that you wish.

But since you're more interested in childish insults, we're going to assume that even you know you don't have your facts straight.