Do people seriously believe Floyd Mayweather Jr could beat Gennady Golovkin at 160?

[Mr Objecitivity]

What??????? the thread was about Floyd vs ggg so I don't know what you takin about.And how the hell can you not agree they are FACTS not opinion.160 would be Floyd 6th div its gggs 1st how can you disagree???????????

The thread was about GGG vs Mayweather at 160 pounds. It has nothing to do with any other weight division, such as the cruiserweight division, light heavyweight division and how many other weight divisions they have and should be fighting at.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Golovkin had major issues with Kell Brook, and Kell Brook is a big 147/smallish 154lber. Would you at least admit that much?

Weight is a factor, but only at a point; Floyd is arguably, on pure skills, the best fighter to ever put on gloves, and he's basically a big 140lber.

Floyd's obviously on a tightrope being that far beyond where he should be, but he clearly has the skills to outbox Golovkin, and Golovkin hasn't really shown the skills to nullify fighters like Floyd.

Floyd gets wrecked by Andre Ward, and I honestly wouldn't like a fight with a guy like Daniel Jacobs either (both too big, both fight on the inside, both can apply pressure well, both can compete with Floyd's foot movement).

Golovkin is basically one of the few middleweights that Floyd would consider; just basic, up and down, with no special effects.

He's basically Floyd's version of John Ruiz; when Roy made his leap, it was likely never going to be for anyone but a guy like John Ruiz (smaller heavyweight, cement feet, tough, not all that big a heavyweight puncher, etc); he wasn't gonna fight Lennox or the Klitschko or even the guys like Michael Grant.

Golovkin destroyed Kell Brook and nearly retired him (probably did). His 'struggles' meant nothing because Kell Brook struggled significantly more. The chances are, Golovkin probably does more damage to Floyd Mayweather since he is even smaller in size and physically weaker.

I'm not denying the skills of Floyd Mayweather Jr. However, he isn't so much more skilled than Golovkin that he could go up to 160 pounds (where has 0 feats / accomplishments) and beat not just any middleweight, but the undisputed best middleweight for the last decade. David Haye was faster than Wladimir Klitschko, was more coordinated, had faster looking footwork but the size advantage neutralized all of those skill advantage of Haye. The same is likely to happen for Floyd. Weight is more significant than skills. He may be able to beat a bum at 160 pounds. However, I can't see him beating the best middleweight at 160 pounds. How do you even know Mayweather will retain all of his attributes such as speed and footwork at 160 pounds compared to the lower weight divisions? I could agree on him beating Golovkin at a catchweight but I can't see him beating Golovkin or even Canelo Alvarez at 160 pounds.

'Special effects' are irrelevant and useless. If you claim Golovkin has no 'special effects', then what about Wladimir Klitschko? Surely, he has even less 'special effects' since he is even less versatile than Golovkin? Yet, did any of that help his lighter opponents that were very skilled like David Haye, Eddie Chambers and so forth so on. No! Special effects (however you define it) aren't going to a significant factor here. Weight and size are going to be!

Also, John Ruiz is a horrible analogy. Golovkin will be like Roy Jones fighting Wladimir Klitschko, Vitali Klitschko or Lennox Lewis. John Ruiz was the worst champion at heavyweight when RJJ beat him. On the other hand, Golovkin is the best champion currently at 160 pounds. Someone like Billie Joe Saunders will be Floyd Mayweather Jr's John Ruiz.

[john l]

The thread was about GGG vs Mayweather at 160 pounds. It has nothing to do with any other weight division, such as the cruiserweight division, light heavyweight division and how many other weight divisions they have and should be fighting at.

Yea and that's what I was talkin about!!!And I quoted one guy who said Floyd fighin ggg would be like ggg fighin at lightheavy.And how the hell can you talk about them two fightin without bringing up weight diff????????? You must not have read post and now just don't wanna admit you were wrong!

[Scipio2009]

No I don't think Floyd could beat Golovkin if Golovkin fought the proper fight. He has to impose his size and strength on Mayweather. He can't try to outbox Floyd or get cute. He has to rough Floyd up like Maidana did. Golovkin is too big for Mayweather and hits too hard. If he tries to outbox Floyd he would lose.

The issue is that Golovkin doesn't impose his size; he marches forward, trying to put pressure on you until you simply freeze up, and then tees off from that mid-range to the head (body occasionally).

And that's been his style from basically when Abel Sanchez got his hands on him (when he was in Germany, at least he'd try to faint you into freezing).

Floyd knows all of the trips/traps to navigate the ring and not need to freeze ever, which basically puts Golovkin over a barrel

[Scipio2009]

Golovkin destroyed Kell Brook and nearly retired him (probably did). His 'struggles' meant nothing because Kell Brook struggled significantly more. The chances are, Golovkin probably does more damage to Floyd Mayweather since he is even smaller in size and physically weaker.

I'm not denying the skills of Floyd Mayweather Jr. However, he isn't so much more skilled than Golovkin that he could go up to 160 pounds (where has 0 feats / accomplishments) and beat not just any middleweight, but the undisputed best middleweight for the last decade. David Haye was faster than Wladimir Klitschko, was more coordinated, had faster looking footwork but the size advantage neutralized all of those skill advantage of Haye. The same is likely to happen for Floyd. Weight is more significant than skills. He may be able to beat a bum at 160 pounds. However, I can't see him beating the best middleweight at 160 pounds. How do you even know Mayweather will retain all of his attributes such as speed and footwork at 160 pounds compared to the lower weight divisions? I could agree on him beating Golovkin at a catchweight but I can't see him beating Golovkin or even Canelo Alvarez at 160 pounds.

'Special effects' are irrelevant and useless. If you claim Golovkin has no 'special effects', then what about Wladimir Klitschko? Surely, he has even less 'special effects' since he is even less versatile than Golovkin? Yet, did any of that help his lighter opponents that were very skilled like David Haye, Eddie Chambers and so forth so on. No! Special effects (however you define it) aren't going to a significant factor here. Weight and size are going to be!

Also, John Ruiz is a horrible analogy. Golovkin will be like Roy Jones fighting Wladimir Klitschko, Vitali Klitschko or Lennox Lewis. John Ruiz was the worst champion at heavyweight when RJJ beat him. On the other hand, Golovkin is the best champion currently at 160 pounds. Someone like Billie Joe Saunders will be Floyd Mayweather Jr's John Ruiz.

Skills matter and styles matter. Golovkin doesn't really throw to the body, Golovkin doesn't fight on the inside, Golovkin doesn't fight in between punches, and Golovkin doesn't fight all that well of the counter either.

Score the man for what he's shown and not what you'd imagine him to do.

Billy Joe Saunders would be a nightmare matchup for Floyd, simply because he's still big, is busy in the ring with his hands and feet, and can box brilliantly off of the backfoot.

[TonyGe]

The issue is that Golovkin doesn't impose his size; he marches forward, trying to put pressure on you until you simply freeze up, and then tees off from that mid-range to the head (body occasionally).

And that's been his style from basically when Abel Sanchez got his hands on him (when he was in Germany, at least he'd try to faint you into freezing).

Floyd knows all of the trips/traps to navigate the ring and not need to freeze ever, which basically puts Golovkin over a barrel

I think his coach and Golovkin are smart enough to figure that out. He's adjusted to different fighters as needed in the past. Boxing against Lemieux, slugging against Brook etc.
Yeah he prefers to fight a particular way but he is capable of changing. The one thing I don't like about Golovkin's style is the lack of an inside game ala Duran. Yes I agree that Sanchez changed up his style somewhat and it took away some of his versatility.

[john l]

Skills matter and styles matter. Golovkin doesn't really throw to the body, Golovkin doesn't fight on the inside, Golovkin doesn't fight in between punches, and Golovkin doesn't fight all that well of the counter either.

Score the man for what he's shown and not what you'd imagine him to do.

Billy Joe Saunders would be a nightmare matchup for Floyd, simply because he's still big, is busy in the ring with his hands and feet, and can box brilliantly off of the backfoot.

That was a good point BJS would really be a harder fight for Floyd.He would have real hard time with boxer that much bigger.But id pick ggg to beat BJS

[Scipio2009]

I think his coach and Golovkin are smart enough to figure that out. He's adjusted to different fighters as needed in the past. Boxing against Lemieux, slugging against Brook etc.
Yeah he prefers to fight a particular way but he is capable of changing. The one thing I don't like about Golovkin's style is the lack of an inside game ala Duran. Yes I agree that Sanchez changed up his style somewhat and it took away some of his versatility.

I think Sanchez's ability to call for adjustments is being greatly overstated, but that's just me.

[iNixus]

prime floyd school him easy at 160

[Scipio2009]

That was a good point BJS would really be a harder fight for Floyd.He would have real hard time with boxer that much bigger.But id pick ggg to beat BJS

I'd still have doubts to be honest, going off of what Golovkin's been able to show recently and the fact that an on-form Saunders was able to more than hold his own against a spiteful Chris Eubank Jr.

Eubank Jr was almost beyond raw when he took the chance, but I doubt that Golovkin hits as hard as Eubank Jr does.

Saunders has his own stamina issues when he has to keep a hard pace (living the good life and fluctuating with weight will do that to you), but he's gonna give Golovkin utter fits for the first 8 rounds.