Do people seriously believe Floyd Mayweather Jr could beat Gennady Golovkin at 160?

[djtmal]

does he really have to hide from a career ww??

you mean a career mw?

[boxinggod101]

Floyd not even a ww really 130-135 was nat weight.if Floyd fought ggg that would be 6th div 4 him and ggg natural one

Stop it man... Floyd a good size WW...

Still why are we even talking abt Floyd vs GGG???

[john l]

Stop it man... Floyd a good size WW...

Still why are we even talking abt Floyd vs GGG???

Floyd good size welter????????? dude walks around at 150 or so.thats not a real welter nat 135 140 as he got older

[FrankieClutch]

Idk why this is a discussion. We have weight classes for a reason

[Vinnykin]

It's hard to evaluate their styles but if Mayweather was 5 lbs lighter and GGG 5 lbs lighter then it makes it an interesting argument.

If this hypothetical situation occurred I think Mayweather would survive the fight but he would be on his bike for the WHOLE 12 rounds very much like Parker Fury. GGG has never gone backwards and Mayweater would never take control like he did against Canelo.

It would be GGG marching forward swinging for 12 rounds with Mayweather running.

[Johnny2x2x]

Floyd is now 41, so I doubt he beats many fighters at 160. He would have schooled GGG at 154 a few years ago. 160 would have been a little close, probably 8-4 in favor of Mayweather.

Mayweather started at 130 as a pro, 154 was likely the absolute biggest he could go to. Dude was 5-7. Seeing as Floyd schooled Canelo at 154 and Canelo went up to GGG's weight and had a controversial draw with him, I don't see why anyone thinks GGG does much against Floyd.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Most of Mayweather's opponents can walk through his punches. The difficulty in facing Mayweather is him being able to time his opponents vs his opponents being able to time him. Golovkin has a big problem with opponents that can move directionally or use a lot a feints. Canelo was able to make him miss with the slightest upper body movement. The fight would probably look like the second Maidana fight where Mayweather would move the whole fight and walk Golovkin into scoring blows. Golovkin would have about the same chance everyone else have and that's to land one big shot. He won't be able to land enough to put Mayweather away.

Anyone would have problems with an opponent who has good movement. It's no rocket science! The difference is, elite boxers like GGG and Floyd Mayweather Jr can adjust and do better than lesser level boxers.

Also, none of Floyd Mayweather Jr's opponents can walk through his punches in the same way that GGG potentially could. Despite his low knockout percentage, Floyd is able to force his opponents at welterweight to at least respect his power. This is what allows him to display his 'boxing skills'. This becomes irrelevant if a much more durable opponent is unaffected by any of the punches he throws. Otherwise, if you think weight, punch resistance and punching power doesn't matter, then why couldn't Floyd Mayweather Jr also beat Sergey Kovalev, Oleksandr Usyk and heck, even Wladimir Klitschko? It's because those attributes do matter. They matter more than the advantages which Floyd Mayweather Jr has over Golovkin. He would also have those advantages over Wlad by an even bigger margin. Yet, any reasonable individual with sufficient objectivity would know that Floyd would be lucky to even survive a single round against Wladimir Klitschko. Likewise, Golovkin's weight advantage will also be a factor. Not as much as Wlad's, hence he may need more rounds to get the job done, but enough that it will make him the huge favorite, despite Mayweather's insignificant skill advantage (assuming there is).

Weight divisions and not skill divisions exist for a reason, because weight is a more significant factor in deciding outcomes of boxing bouts than skill.

Also, using Canelo's performance against Golovkin to infer that Mayweather would beat Golovkin is a false equivalence logical fallacy. Canelo is heavier, more powerful and more durable than Floyd Mayweather Jr. This is not in doubt! Golovkin was able to land enough punches on Canelo Alvarez. What saved Canelo Alvarez was his weight and his punch resistance. Floyd, due to his smaller size would be lacking in those departments. Chris Byrd also made Vitali Klitschko miss and quit. Yet, do you seriously think Floyd Mayweather Jr has any chance of beating Vitali Klitschko at heavyweight? Think about that!

[Mr Objecitivity]

Floyd's never going to punch his way through Golovkin, but Golovkin's performances against folks like Kell Brook, Daniel Jacobs, Saul Alvarez, and even Willie Monroe Jr and Gabe Rosado in spots, more than prove that Golovkin is there to be out boxed and outfoxed.

Golovkin is about the size of Saul Alvarez (maybe a bit bigger, tbh) and Floyd had no issue managing Alvarez's size.

If Golovkin really does come to the table with your berzerker plan, a style that almost has no reflection to how he actually fights, he punches himself out in 4/5 rounds and then Floyd is left with dealing with a tired fighter who's about the size of what Canelo was. Easy work

None of those guys 'outboxed' Golovkin according to my definition of that word. Perhaps you could provide your definition so we can come to terms.

Canelo Alvarez, when he fought Floyd Mayweather Jr was restricted by a catchweight limit and fought him below 160 pounds. It's a false equivalence logical fallacy to use Golokvin's performance against Canelo Alvarez to Floyd Mayweather's performance against Canelo Alvarez to deduce Floyd Mayweather Jr would therefore beat Golovkin at 160 pound. So unless and until Floyd Mayweather Jr could beat Canelo Alvarez at 160 pounds more convincingly than Golovkin did, his win over Canelo in a different weight division with different rules mean very little in this match up between him and Golovkin at 160 pounds. Different weight division and rules = different match up.

As for GGG gassing out and getting tired, it's more likely he takes Floyd Mayweather Jr out before then. In addition, Golovkin is no Maidana. He has tremendous stamina which is supported by his physical makeup and the fact that he constantly trains in high altitudes.

[HarvardBlue]

Anyone would have problems with an opponent who has good movement. It's no rocket science! The difference is, elite boxers like GGG and Floyd Mayweather Jr can adjust and do better than lesser level boxers.

Also, none of Floyd Mayweather Jr's opponents can walk through his punches in the same way that GGG potentially could. Despite his low knockout percentage, Floyd is able to force his opponents at welterweight to at least respect his power. This is what allows him to display his 'boxing skills'. This becomes irrelevant if a much more durable opponent is unaffected by any of the punches he throws. Otherwise, if you think weight, punch resistance and punching power doesn't matter, then why couldn't Floyd Mayweather Jr also beat Sergey Kovalev, Oleksandr Usyk and heck, even Wladimir Klitschko? It's because those attributes do matter. They matter more than the advantages which Floyd Mayweather Jr has over Golovkin. He would also have those advantages over Wlad by an even bigger margin. Yet, any reasonable individual with sufficient objectivity would know that Floyd would be lucky to even survive a single round against Wladimir Klitschko. Likewise, Golovkin's weight advantage will also be a factor. Not as much as Wlad's, hence he may need more rounds to get the job done, but enough that it will make him the huge favorite, despite Mayweather's insignificant skill advantage (assuming there is).

Weight divisions and not skill divisions exist for a reason, because weight is a more significant factor in deciding outcomes of boxing bouts than skill.

Also, using Canelo's performance against Golovkin to infer that Mayweather would beat Golovkin is a false equivalence logical fallacy. Canelo is heavier, more powerful and more durable than Floyd Mayweather Jr. This is not in doubt! Golovkin was able to land enough punches on Canelo Alvarez. What saved Canelo Alvarez was his weight and his punch resistance. Floyd, due to his smaller size would be lacking in those departments. Chris Byrd also made Vitali Klitschko miss and quit. Yet, do you seriously think Floyd Mayweather Jr has any chance of beating Vitali Klitschko at heavyweight? Think about that!

I don't see Golovkin make a lot of adjustments in his fights. Not at the same level as Mayweather at least. Golovkin at 170 is not much bigger than some of the other fighters Mayweather faced in the past. I doubt he would come in much heavier especially if he expects to catch a moving Mayweather. I believe Mayweather could out box Golovin by limiting his offense. Golovkin is a beast against stationary targets or opponents in full retreat. Mayweather uses many different feints to confuse his opponents and keep them guessing rather than throwing punches. His timing and accuracy also slows down his down his opponents because they know every time they make a mistake they'll eat a counter. Why do you think the much bigger Canelo was so tentative? It may not stop them but it will slow them down. I mentioned Canelo because he made Golovkin miss with upper body movement. Not because he was bigger and more durable. He didn't move his feet and laid on the ropes so he got hit more than I would anticipate Mayweather getting hit. Do you really think Mayweather would put his guard up and try to walk down Golovkin like he did against McGregor. Come on now.

Btw, you didn't need to mention LHWs and HWs to make your point because Golovkin is not that much bigger than the Canelo or even Maidana.

[Mr Objecitivity]

I don't see Golovkin make a lot of adjustments in his fights. Not at the same level as Mayweather at least. Golovkin at 170 is not much bigger than some of the other fighters Mayweather faced in the past. I doubt he would come in much heavier especially if he expects to catch a moving Mayweather. I believe Mayweather could out box Golovin by limiting his offense. Golovkin is a beast against stationary targets or opponents in full retreat. Mayweather uses many different feints to confuse his opponents and keep them guessing rather than throwing punches. His timing and accuracy also slows down his down his opponents because they know every time they make a mistake they'll eat a counter. Why do you think the much bigger Canelo was so tentative? It may not stop them but it will slow them down. I mentioned Canelo because he made Golovkin miss with upper body movement. Not because he was bigger and more durable. He didn't move his feet and laid on the ropes so he got hit more than I would anticipate Mayweather getting hit. Do you really think Mayweather would put his guard up and try to walk down Golovkin like he did against McGregor. Come on now.

Btw, you didn't need to mention LHWs and HWs to make your point because Golovkin is not that much bigger than the Canelo or even Maidana.

If you didn't see the adjustments, then it's your inability to see. Doesn't mean it didn't happen!

As far as this bout goes, it is happening at 160 pounds and you do realize that Mayweather has had 0 bouts, 0 wins, 0 losses and 0 draws at 160 pounds right? Therefore, how can we infer with any degree of confidence how good Mayweather would be at 160 pounds if he hasn't ever fought here? How can we even know he would even carry some of his abilities from his accustomed weight divisions to 160 pounds, like his speed for example? Not just that, he is going to fight the best 160 pound boxer on his first fight. It doesn't look good for him!

Keep in mind that Mayweather hasn't fought anybody as big as Golovkin. Nobody at all! Only Canelo Alvarez comes close and that fight took place at a catch weight where there was a rehydration clause which prevented Canelo from rehydrating above a certain weight limit. If you think so highly of Mayweather that he could beat GGG at 160 pounds, then why did he have to fight Canelo Alvarez at a catch weight with a rehydration clause? Did you actually think that through? Yet, somehow he beats Golovkin, not just at a catch weight, but at 160 pounds? It's you that is looking like a fan boy!

Look, I am a Floyd Mayweather Jr fan and even I know he doesn't stand much of a chance at 160 pounds against Golovkin. At catch weight, sure! He has a chance like he did against Canelo Alvarez. However, I can't even see Mayweather beating Canelo Alvarez at 160 pounds, never mind Golovkin!

Ridiculous that you would even compare Marcos Maidana and Golovkin in size when Maidana didn't even have a single bout at 160 pounds. I'm not even sure if he even fought at 154 pounds. Yet, somehow they are comparable in size? Lol