Would Mayweather Still Be Considered Great If He Had a Loss?

[travestyny]

And while I'm at it, let's go a bit deeper....

Here you are in a series of threads created by you claiming that Mayweather was ducking Mosley:

tried to hide behind haymon and ellerbe when posed with the question of fighting shane, instead of just saying shane i'm gonna fight you next...one minute, he's supposed to be his own man and in the next breath, he's not...

Now the excuse is Shane doesn't sell enough in the "Black" or "Urban" communities to fight Floyd...Lol

PBF/Shane is the fight everybody wants to see...no more pbf excuses for avoiding fighting the ww champ....that is all

YET YOU NEVER GAVE MAYWEATHER CREDIT BECAUSE AT THE TIME THAT THESE THREADS WERE MADE, FLOYD MAYWEATHER'S VERY NEXT FIGHT WAS: MOSLEY!!!

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Yet, you changed up your view about Mosley real quick after Mayweather beat him, didn't you? Didn't you? Oh yea you did!

in larry's world, floyd challenged himself when he fought and beat... a shaky shane

yeah yeah yeah...shane wasn't no spring chicken...

ain't stop floyd from cherrypicking 'em...

SO WHICH IS IT. WAS HE DVCKING MOSLEY, THE FIGHT EVERYONE WANTED TO SEE....OR WAS HE CHERRY PICKING A SHAKEY MOSLEY?


Oh...how about more proof of your butthurt bullshlt? Here is another thread made by you:

Very good matchup Saturday. Good to see Mayweather back in action and hungry and equally as good to see Ortiz get a shot at true Superstardom.

Lets Get It On!

But what did this one become????

facts.....he does have a prime ortiz, and chop chop corley though...

floyd waited for the whole ww division to fade, except those flat footed, c-level guys like maidana, berto, guerrero, and ortiz...he can beat those guys in their prime with one hand tied behind his back, plus, was guaranteed at least 30 mil to carry those no hopers...

Wait wait wait...what? Was that sarcasm or.... First Ortiz is a good match...and later he's a C-level guy whom Floyd can beat with one hand tied behind his back!

[IronDanHamza]

Ok. Then let me fix that. You're a butthurt f@g because he beat one of your favorite contemporary fighters. Does that work for you now?



Why would a Floyd fan be disgruntled. That's for those of you who are upset about him beating one of your favorite fighters. At least you have the decency to bring up past era greats to hide behind whom he couldn't possibly fight instead of the one he beat that made you cry all over threads about him. No one is fooled.



Go through all of what? You're gonna make this easy.



LMAO. This is the first one you bring up? Winky Wright. **** out of here.

So the first one that comes to your mind is a 154lb fighter, when Mayweahther has never weighed more than, what....151? And You expected Mayweather to give him the advantage at weight and make it 50/50 purse spit?

You're more butthurt than I thought

By your definition, Manny Pacquiao ducked Sergio Martinez? Right? He said he would fight him. Said the weight he would fight him at, Sergio agreed. Sergio said he'd take less money. Duck! Right???



More bullshlt.



Arum stated that Floyd would fight Margarito but wanted guarantees connected to renewing that contract. 10million for Cotto and Hatton, but Arum only offered 7million. Floyd also wanted 20 million for De La Hoya, and Arum repeatedly told him that the money not only wasn't there, but he had no interest in making that fight. So Floyd went off and did his own thing. Floyd Mayweather bought out his contract instead of fighting Margarito and being denied having the De La Hoya fight,



...and being stuck with lower guarantees because he would make more money being on his own. The proof:

vs. Hatton -- Floyd's purse was 11 million
vs. Cotto (albeit later) -- Floyd's purse was 32Million
vs. De La Hoya -- Floyd's purse was 25million

So seems he got 28 million more than what he was begging Arum for. By the way, notice Cotto's name up there?



More bullshlt. You making this real easy, son.

Maybe you have no idea about when Mayweather actually retired, so you're pulling shlt out of your ass. Let me help you out little guy:

Mayweather Retired?



About Cotto: Cotto had accepted 2 fights at least by Jan. 18th, 2008. Here is the proof.



Actually, Margarito wound up fighting Cintron on the same card as Cotto vs. Gomez.

Seems that Mayweather was getting close to a rematch with De La Hoya for September, and Cotto had already accepted 2 fights. So yea. What about that ducking, son? You're making a damn fool of yourself.



Wrong!
2007: Floyd beats De La Hoya

2 Months later: PWill beats Margarito (That's when he first becomes noteworthy)

Floyd's next fight: Ricky Hatton

2 months later: PWill's next fight? Loss to Carlos Quintana

So when the **** was this fight to be made, huh? Or you can try to tell me he should have fought PWill instead of R.Hatton so I can laugh at you. It's clear which one was going to bring more money, being that Hatton has an entire country behind him and thus makes it an international event, plus there is a racial element which gets some people riled up. What else you got?



Backed out? Last I checked, he sighed a contract for a 50/50 split and PACQUIAO backed out of a 50/50 split with Mayweahter because he needed 24 days in between PED testing and the fight, as opposed to 14 days. Do I need to send you links about this, or are you aware. You also might want to take Freddy Roaches' opinion of this, but you already know this, don't you? Yea you do. That's why you bring this one up so late and even said before when I mentioned him specifically that I'd have to discuss other boxers. you knew this one was complete BS, didn't you?



LMAOOOOOO. You're saying he ducked Thurman, Spence, Crawford, and Garcia? LMAOOOOO. You really are butthurt, aren't you?

I'm assuming he should have fought Spence in 2015 when Spence was fighting the likes of Van Herdeen.

Keith Thurman when he was fighting the likes of Luis Collazo???

Crawford? Garcia? Give me a break. I don't even have to say anything about them.

As for McGregor, he would be ****** not to take that fight. When you name me one boxer who wouldn't take that fight for that amount of money, I'll say you have a point. Deal?


So yea, what were you saying? You need me to go over any of these in more detail, little guy?

FACTS: DO YOU USE THEM? MY POST HAD PLENTY. WHERE ARE YOURS?

It was Winky Wright who turned down the fight with Mayweather anyway.

He had a career high pay day on the table and he walked away.

[travestyny]

You can talk logic and truth to these clowns all day long but they will act like they are on the Mayweather payroll the way they defend him to the death.

Fact is, Floyd's entire legacy is hinged upon that sacred "0". Without it, he fades into obscurity. Just another overhyped money machine who ducked the best in their prime and fought a long list of hype jobs and B-rate opposition.

Shut up, bltch. If you want to talk shlt, take me off ignore so you can get schooled like the bltch you're responding to.

I didn't think so.

[travestyny]

It was Winky Wright who turned down the fight with Mayweather anyway.

He had a career high pay day on the table and he walked away.

Really? I thought it actually fell apart because of more Arum shenanigans. Saying they will make it for 50/50, then changing it up.

But either way, you're right. The offer was 55/45 I believe, which would have been significant for Winky and actually fair in my opinion, and Winky walked.

[IronDanHamza]

Really? I thought it actually fell apart because of more Arum shenanigans. Saying they will make it for 50/50, then changing it up.

But either way, you're right. The offer was 55/45 I believe, which would have been significant for Winky and actually fair in my opinion, and Winky walked.

The final offer was 50/50 which was more than fair.

A lot of talk and posturing from both sides but in the end Winky walked from a career high pay day.

Winky did the same thing with Oscar, Margarito and a Taylor rematch. He walked away from career high pay days in all of those fights.

[travestyny]

The final offer was 50/50 which was more than fair.

A lot of talk and posturing from both sides but in the end Winky walked from a career high pay day.

Winky did the same thing with Oscar, Margarito and a Taylor rematch. He walked away from career high pay days in all of those fights.

Really? Winky walked away from a 50/50 offer?

You're one of the posters here that I think is true quality, but with all due respect, is there some link or proof of that? Again, I think 55/45 was more than fair, but I didn't know he walked away from 50/50. What was he thinking?

[Bjl12]

Ok. Then let me fix that. You're a butthurt f@g because he beat one of your favorite contemporary fighters. Does that work for you now?



Why would a Floyd fan be disgruntled. That's for those of you who are upset about him beating one of your favorite fighters. At least you have the decency to bring up past era greats to hide behind whom he couldn't possibly fight instead of the one he beat that made you cry all over threads about him. No one is fooled.



Go through all of what? You're gonna make this easy.



LMAO. This is the first one you bring up? Winky Wright. **** out of here.

So the first one that comes to your mind is a 154lb fighter, when Mayweahther has never weighed more than, what....151? And You expected Mayweather to give him the advantage at weight and make it 50/50 purse spit?

You're more butthurt than I thought

By your definition, Manny Pacquiao ducked Sergio Martinez? Right? He said he would fight him. Said the weight he would fight him at, Sergio agreed. Sergio said he'd take less money. Duck! Right???



More bullshlt.



Arum stated that Floyd would fight Margarito but wanted guarantees connected to renewing that contract. 10million for Cotto and Hatton, but Arum only offered 7million. Floyd also wanted 20 million for De La Hoya, and Arum repeatedly told him that the money not only wasn't there, but he had no interest in making that fight. So Floyd went off and did his own thing. Floyd Mayweather bought out his contract instead of fighting Margarito and being denied having the De La Hoya fight,



...and being stuck with lower guarantees because he would make more money being on his own. The proof:

vs. Hatton -- Floyd's purse was 11 million
vs. Cotto (albeit later) -- Floyd's purse was 32Million
vs. De La Hoya -- Floyd's purse was 25million

So seems he got 28 million more than what he was begging Arum for. By the way, notice Cotto's name up there?



More bullshlt. You making this real easy, son.

Maybe you have no idea about when Mayweather actually retired, so you're pulling shlt out of your ass. Let me help you out little guy:

Mayweather Retired?



About Cotto: Cotto had accepted 2 fights at least by Jan. 18th, 2008. Here is the proof.



Actually, Margarito wound up fighting Cintron on the same card as Cotto vs. Gomez.

Seems that Mayweather was getting close to a rematch with De La Hoya for September, and Cotto had already accepted 2 fights. So yea. What about that ducking, son? You're making a damn fool of yourself.



Wrong!
2007: Floyd beats De La Hoya

2 Months later: PWill beats Margarito (That's when he first becomes noteworthy)

Floyd's next fight: Ricky Hatton

2 months later: PWill's next fight? Loss to Carlos Quintana

So when the **** was this fight to be made, huh? Or you can try to tell me he should have fought PWill instead of R.Hatton so I can laugh at you. It's clear which one was going to bring more money, being that Hatton has an entire country behind him and thus makes it an international event, plus there is a racial element which gets some people riled up. What else you got?



Backed out? Last I checked, he sighed a contract for a 50/50 split and PACQUIAO backed out of a 50/50 split with Mayweahter because he needed 24 days in between PED testing and the fight, as opposed to 14 days. Do I need to send you links about this, or are you aware. You also might want to take Freddy Roaches' opinion of this, but you already know this, don't you? Yea you do. That's why you bring this one up so late and even said before when I mentioned him specifically that I'd have to discuss other boxers. you knew this one was complete BS, didn't you?



LMAOOOOOO. You're saying he ducked Thurman, Spence, Crawford, and Garcia? LMAOOOOO. You really are butthurt, aren't you?

I'm assuming he should have fought Spence in 2015 when Spence was fighting the likes of Van Herdeen.

Keith Thurman when he was fighting the likes of Luis Collazo???

Crawford? Garcia? Give me a break. I don't even have to say anything about them.

As for McGregor, he would be ****** not to take that fight. When you name me one boxer who wouldn't take that fight for that amount of money, I'll say you have a point. Deal?


So yea, what were you saying? You need me to go over any of these in more detail, little guy?

FACTS: DO YOU USE THEM? MY POST HAD PLENTY. WHERE ARE YOURS?

i wrecked that kiddo pretty bad, but you did brain damage.

Damn

[travestyny]

i wrecked that kiddo pretty bad, but you did brain damage.

Damn

You beat me to it. Once I scrolled down and saw someone quoted him, I immediately thought, "Someone else just exposed this clown before I could." Good shlt!

[Willy Wanker]

Floyd would still be great of course, but he would be knocked down a few pegs on the ATG list.

He also would have made considerably less money. He would still be one of the top drawing boxers ever, but maybe not number one. That 0 was a very strong selling point and it made up for the fact that he wasn't a toe to toe offensive-minded fighter with KO power that people really love.

[GhostofDempsey]

It was Winky Wright who turned down the fight with Mayweather anyway.

He had a career high pay day on the table and he walked away.

It was Floyd and Arum who turned down 50/50. Floyd made his usual demands and Wnky agreed to all of them. They agreed on 154 and Winky could not gain more than 8 pounds on day of fight. Agreed on 50/50 and then Arum said no, 55/45.

Floyd was looking for an excuse to back out of that fight from the start.