Who has the better legacy? Joe Calzaghe or Andre Ward?

[Kigali]

I agree Ward's tactics, headbutting, clinching elbowing etc. are going to diminish his status.

..better than a slapper that had the ref stop the fight for no reason.

[Jewish-Reptile]

I ask this question because both retired undefeated and were the lineal champion of the 175 lbs weight class.

When was Ward and Calzaghe lineal at 175 ?

[TonyGe]

..better than a slapper that had the ref stop the fight for no reason.

Don't know who you are referring to or what that has to do with Ward's career.

[daggum]

I agree Ward's tactics, headbutting, clinching elbowing etc. are going to diminish his status.

..better than a slapper that had the ref stop the fight for no reason.

when two fraud fanbases go head to head!

[bluepete]

-Lacy went life and death with journeyman Omar Sheika 2 years before fighting Calzaghe. He's below the level of Alexander Brand who has never struggled with journeymen.

-Eubank was on the verge of retirement, 2 losses to Collins, he was scheduled to fight at Cruiser but jumped in for Calzaghe with 1 week to go and had to lose 20lbs.

No idea how you can compare him to prime Carl Froch.

-Ward fought Kessler with a mere 4 years pro experience, completely blew him out whereas Kessler won around 3-4 rounds vs Calzaghe.

-Hopkins arguably beat Calzaghe, the replays exposed Joe's phantom punching badly.


Joe fought 1 guy worth noting in his prime, Kessler, the man who Ward blew out despite being very green.

Ward fought prime Froch, Kovalev 2x, Kessler, Barrera, Dawson, Rodriguez, Abraham. It's not even close.

Prime Froch had done nothing but lose to Kessler and go life and death with Pascal. He's nowhere near a Eubank who had two great fights with a Carl Thompson who later handed an upcoming Haye he's arse. Froch best win was a fragile Bute.He don't top any Eubank. Who was scheduled to fight Mark Prince at Light heavyweight btw.Kessler was already a good champ when Joe fought him, and Calzaghe beat him in a clean fight, not a butt filled foul fest on a cut.The only phantom punch in the Hopkins fight was the low blow BHop tried to cry off with. Barrera, Rodriguez aren't even Lacey level, who did they beat? Abrahams was a middle, didn't beat anyone at supermiddle and was shut out by Froch! Dawson was totally weight drained coming down a whole division. So you have Kovalev, who most thought beat him the first time, who's own best win is over a 50year old. Its debatable for sure. "Its not even close" is totally unrealistic.

[McNulty]

Calzaghe gets no love on this site

Because he was a cherry-picker and got saved by hometown refs a bunch. Byron Mitchell had him done and Parris stepped in like the fixed ref he is.

Also, he had very few world class tools. I mean, he couldn't even throw one single perfect punch.

[TonyGe]

when two fraud fanbases go head to head!

What fans bases are you talking about??

[champion4ever]

When was Ward and Calzaghe lineal at 175 ?

Ward was never the lineal champion at 175 but Joe Calzaghe was and retired as such once he defeated Bernard Hopkins for it back in 2008; After Hopkins defeated Antonio Tarver for it back in 2006, after Tarver regained it from Glenn Johnson in 2005 after losing it to him in 2004 and after Tarver stopped Jones for it in May 2004.

On the other hand, Ward was never the lineal champion of the 175lbs weight division because he refused to challenge Adonis Stevenson for it. When Joe Calzaghe retired, it lead to a power vacuum within the 175 lbs division for the vacant lineal championship.

Chad Johnson was regarded as the champion until losing it to Jean Pascal, then Hopkins regained the lineal championship by defeating Pascal but lost it again in 2012 to Chad Johnson who then lost it to Adonis Stevenson who is now the current lineal champion at 175.

[Cutthroat]

Prime Froch had done nothing but lose to Kessler and go life and death with Pascal. He's nowhere near a Eubank who had two great fights with a Carl Thompson who later handed an upcoming Haye he's arse. Froch best win was a fragile Bute.He don't top any Eubank. Who was scheduled to fight Mark Prince at Light heavyweight btw.Kessler was already a good champ when Joe fought him, and Calzaghe beat him in a clean fight, not a butt filled foul fest on a cut.The only phantom punch in the Hopkins fight was the low blow BHop tried to cry off with. Barrera, Rodriguez aren't even Lacey level, who did they beat? Abrahams was a middle, didn't beat anyone at supermiddle and was shut out by Froch! Dawson was totally weight drained coming down a whole division. So you have Kovalev, who most thought beat him the first time, who's own best win is over a 50year old. Its debatable for sure. "Its not even close" is totally unrealistic.

Froch has wins over prime Bute, Groves, Abraham, Kessler, Pascal, Dirrel, Taylor, his resume is easily better than Calzaghe's. Look at all those prime power punchers, same thing with Ward with Kovalev x2-Froch-Barrera, massive punchers.

Joe's resume doesn't even have power punchers on it let alone prime fighters. The biggest punchers he fought were Lacy-Kessler-drained Eubank LOL. After getting floored/rocked by journeymen he made sure to play it safe.


Eubank fought Thompson at Cruiser, just like Thompson fought Haye at Cruiser, not SMW. Joe dragged him down 2 divisions. Eubank already had 2 fights at cruiser before dropping 20lbs to take on Joe on a mere 1 week's notice, not even a training camp.

Weight drained 2 divisions, no training camp, have to lose 20lbs on 1 week's notice, I mean it doesn't get much worse than that in boxing. Do that to practically any fighter, Mayweather, Loma, and they'd lose.


Even then Thompson was a journeyman, don't know why you're bragging about his W over Haye. Haye was barely 2 years pro, 10 fights in, hadn't even matured physically.

[GhostofDempsey]

Calzaghe. Longer career, 46 fights versus 32. Beat Kessler cleaner and without cheating with elbows and head butts. Eubank, Hopkins and Jones are better wins than Froch, a drained Dawson and a gift over Kovalev.