Who has the better legacy? Joe Calzaghe or Andre Ward?

[bluepete]

Froch has wins over prime Bute, Groves, Abraham, Kessler, Pascal, Dirrel, Taylor, his resume is easily better than Calzaghe's. Look at all those prime power punchers, same thing with Ward with Kovalev x2-Froch-Barrera, massive punchers.

Joe's resume doesn't even have power punchers on it let alone prime fighters. The biggest punchers he fought were Lacy-Kessler-drained Eubank LOL. After getting floored/rocked by journeymen he made sure to play it safe.


Eubank fought Thompson at Cruiser, just like Thompson fought Haye at Cruiser, not SMW. Joe dragged him down 2 divisions. Eubank already had 2 fights at cruiser before dropping 20lbs to take on Joe on a mere 1 week's notice, not even a training camp.

Weight drained 2 divisions, no training camp, have to lose 20lbs on 1 week's notice, I mean it doesn't get much worse than that in boxing. Do that to practically any fighter, Mayweather, Loma, and they'd lose.


Even then Thompson was a journeyman, don't know why you're bragging about his W over Haye. Haye was barely 2 years pro, 10 fights in, hadn't even matured physically.

Have a look at the list again. Bute never beat anyone of note and was fragile. Groves has only one win of note, an early close one over Degale. Abraham was a middle, never a top supermiddle. Pascal was weak at supermiddle, but still he's claim to fame is getting beat by a 46 year old. Dirrel beat Froch in most people's eyes, and has no big wins himself. Taylor was coming off a knockout losses to Pavlic Abraham, never beat anyone of note at supermiddle. You mention Barrera, what has he done against World championship material? For that matter, other than Cleverly and 50 year old Hopkins, what has Kovalev done? Calzaghe was never floored or rocked by a journeyman, the only people to floor him were world champions. Ward was floored by a journeyman however. Watch Calzaghes big wins and tell me with a straight face he played it safe in any of them. That was Andre's style. Eubank is on record saying he was never a Cruiser, had to stuff himself silly to even make the weight, an at 13 stone 4 still hurt and floored Carl Thompson, which alot of good cruisers couldn't. He never claimed to be weight drained for Calzaghe,who floored him twice. He had a training camp before Calzaghe because he was fighting a friend of mine, Mark Prince. Thompson held a world title and was not a journeyman. He was forty when he stopped a Haye who was a hot prospect, destroying everyone by knockout. Eubank was better than Froch, who had some good wins but isn't the monster Ward fans like to claim he was. Just like Kovalev has a pretty thin resume himself, other than beating Ward in the eyes of many the first time, who did he beat? Nathan Cleverly, 50 year old BHop, Pascal who had no world class wins at a weight he never fought at again, who's claim to fame is losing he's title to the oldest guy ever. How's that?

[GhostofDempsey]

So prime, P4P Dawson moving down 1 weight class, a total of 6lbs=Drained

But

Shot Eubank moving down 2 weight classes, a total of over 20lbs he was forced to drop in 1 week's notice=Great win.

Eubank didn't fight at CW until after he fought Joe.

Prime Dawson is an oxymoron, no such thing since he was never anything special in his prime.

[bluepete]

You know it's bad when people are bringing up Eubank as one of Joe's best wins. He dragged Eubank down 2 divisions, he was a cruiser before and after fighting Calzaghe.

Opps someone doesn't know he's facts. Fact: Eubank never fought as a cruiserweight in any fight before Calzaghe. He was preparing to fight Mark Prince at Lightheavy, a division he also never fought in. Therefore he was a career middle. Supermiddle when he fought Calzaghe, so how did he get "dragged down two divisions? You might well love Ward and hate Joe, but stop making things up.

[bluepete]

Eubank didn't fight at CW until after he fought Joe.

Prime Dawson is an oxymoron, no such thing since he was never anything special in his prime.

Well spotted, I wrote my reply before I read this.Eubank is now a cruiserweight in this guys mind. He only fought there twice, weighed in 4 pound under the first time and said he had to stuff himself silly to get above 13 stone. And as for dragging guys down a weight in fact it was Dawson who was "dragged down" a whole division so Ward would fight him. What hypocrites some Ward fans are ****ing on about this win while dismissing Eubank.

[AddiX]

No he didn't. Funny how fanboyism clouds people. Ward didn't fight everyone he had to and he certainly didn't dominate Kovalev in their first fight. Ward got outboxed.

So tell me who he didn't fight and who he didn't dominate?

Ward rematched kov and whooped his ass the 2nd time, that basically wipes out the first, so IMO, he dominated kov is a fair statement.

[daggum]

What am I wrong about here? Kov fight was only one he didn't dominate, but he took the rematch and dominated him the 2nd time around.

So who didn't ward fight or who didn't he dominate? Unless you have an example STFU, and stop wasting my time with ***** posts.

he did not dominate him in the rematch...he ko'd him with low blows!!! wtf are you pretending that was a legit win??? also the vast majority of cards had kovalev ahead at the time of the stoppage so where was the domination??? what a delusional fanboy. like i said boxrec domination. reality shows a fight where ward got desperate since he was behind and turned into andrew golota in the 7th and 8th rounds

also its much easier to dominate a fight when you dont have to follow the rules as ward never did. when you can clinch nonstop, jump into your opponent headfirst without throwing punches, and throw constant low blows thats a pretty big advantage so im not surprised slow predictable fighters were caught off guard by those illegal tactics. from his olympic gold to his last fight he never stopped cheating(when he was challenged) cant believe you thinik he was some kind of great boxer. great at manipulating boxing and taking advantage of systemic corruption that favors the a-side but was he really a great boxer? no. if he was he wouldnt have needed to cheat so much to win

[Cutthroat]

Opps someone doesn't know he's facts. Fact: Eubank never fought as a cruiserweight in any fight before Calzaghe. He was preparing to fight Mark Prince at Lightheavy, a division he also never fought in. Therefore he was a career middle. Supermiddle when he fought Calzaghe, so how did he get "dragged down two divisions? You might well love Ward and hate Joe, but stop making things up.

Eubank didn't fight at CW until after he fought Joe.

Prime Dawson is an oxymoron, no such thing since he was never anything special in his prime.

Completely false, Eubank had been a cruiser for 2 years, he fought his last 2 fights against Alcorne and Barrera well above the LHW limit of 175, he was a cruiser.

Prime Dawson not special? Wins over Hopkins, Tarver x2, Glen Johnson x2, and upset future Cruiserweight Champion and HW Champion Adamek.

Adamek is a top 3 win on Vitali Klitschko's resume and arguably the best win of his career lol.

[The Big Dunn]

Ward is a 1st ballot HOF'er. Calzaghe may end up like Sven Ottke.

[GhostofDempsey]

Completely false, Eubank had been a cruiser for 2 years, he fought his last 2 fights against Alcorne and Barrera well above the LHW limit of 175, he was a cruiser.

Prime Dawson not special? Wins over Hopkins, Tarver x2, Glen Johnson x2, and upset future Cruiserweight Champion and HW Champion Adamek.

Adamek is a top 3 win on Vitali Klitschko's resume and arguably the best win of his career lol.

Eubank was a not a full blown cruiser and his two opponents prior to Calzaghe were natural SMW and WWs.

Dawson also lost to Fonfara, Karpency and Pascal. Tarver was already 40 and done when Dawson beat him.

Fact remains, Eubank on any day was better than Dawson at his best.

[Mr.Fantastic]

So tell me who he didn't fight and who he didn't dominate?

Ward rematched kov and whooped his ass the 2nd time, that basically wipes out the first, so IMO, he dominated kov is a fair statement.

It doesn't wipe the first one. Ward got outboxed. The way he beat Kovalev on the 2nd fight wasn't anything special. Low blows and a quick ref stoppage with no count. It wasn't anything great. But that's my opinion and you have yours.