Here's Where All The Floyd Cheat Theories Fail

[travestyny]

Actually, it was the first thing I addressed in my post.

I said TUEs are granted under weirder circumstances than what happened with Floyd and left it there.

What I was trying to avoid is what you and other Floyd accusers are doing- coming up with wild theories to explain how Floyd MIGHT HAVE cheated, when every logical conclusion says otherwise.

Getting near 500 posts here and none of you can explain why the sample the DCO took BEFORE THE IV was as clean as the one after and EVERY SINGLE SAMPLE TAKEN IN CAMP.

500 posts and none of you have an answer why WADA hasn't stepped in and blew the whistle on USADA if indeed they were bought off.

Travestyny and others have been LITERALLY STOMPING THE SHYT OUT OF EVERY BULLCRAP THEORY, but here you are still trying.

So, it is time for a bullshyt theory of my own- let's see if it makes sense.

You are Floyd Mayweather and you are dehydrated. You have been drinking all sorts of fluids but nothing is helping. You are on the eve of the biggest fight in boxing history and the last thing you need is a scandal.

Now, you know you are clean and you know IV rehydration is legal in Nevada. But, given the atmosphere about doping in sports in general and the accusations woven into this situation in particular, news of you going to a hospital right before a fight will almost surely have a negative financial effect. And when the media finds out it is for an IV, there will be all sorts of aspersions cast and even calls to postpone or cancel the fight.

You will be facing hours of this. It will be a huge distraction in the medai and it will turn plenty of fans off.

But, you are Floyd and you are smart. You know you can do something completely legal and above board, yet do nothing to endanger the fight or the money. Paramedics are called to the homes of people all the time to administer aid and since the DCO is already on the scene, there is zero risk of any serious questions of integrity holding up to even cursory scrutiny or common sense.

You request a verbal TUE from the DCO, with the knowledge that a formal request will come later. The DCO (after consulting with USADA higher ups) grants it.

Every thing is documented, above board, in the presence of the DCO and a medical professional who is a complete stranger, such that when the whole story is eventually told any questions of cheating are easily dismissed.


How's this theory work?

Is there really anymore to say here???

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[koolkc107]

Dude, the thing is that no one can go back and change the events that happened. It's easy to say, "Well if he would have went to a hospital." The DCO was with him. He didn't go to a hospital. We know that.

So sure, if he would have went to the hospital, there would be nothing to discuss. I guess that's what you want to hear.

But we're talking about alleged PED use. The OP stated very well why these theories fail. That's the discussion.

If he went to the hospital the 24 hours leading up to the fight woulda been a media shytstorm and no way they do 4.6M buys.

[koolkc107]

Honestly, I stopped reading when you cAlled me a Floyd accuser. If you're not going to read short posts, putting words in my mouth, I'm only going to skim yours.

The man didnt follow the rules, and required an exemption. A simple er visit would have resolved the matter. Instead, 2 years later, it's IV and usada talk

Suit yourself.

Don't say it wasn't explained doe.

[Ray*]

Actually, it was the first thing I addressed in my post.

I said TUEs are granted under weirder circumstances than what happened with Floyd and left it there.

What I was trying to avoid is what you and other Floyd accusers are doing- coming up with wild theories to explain how Floyd MIGHT HAVE cheated, when every logical conclusion says otherwise.

Getting near 500 posts here and none of you can explain why the sample the DCO took BEFORE THE IV was as clean as the one after and EVERY SINGLE SAMPLE TAKEN IN CAMP.

500 posts and none of you have an answer why WADA hasn't stepped in and blew the whistle on USADA if indeed they were bought off.

Travestyny and others have been LITERALLY STOMPING THE SHYT OUT OF EVERY BULLCRAP THEORY, but here you are still trying.

So, it is time for a bullshyt theory of my own- let's see if it makes sense.

You are Floyd Mayweather and you are dehydrated. You have been drinking all sorts of fluids but nothing is helping. You are on the eve of the biggest fight in boxing history and the last thing you need is a scandal.

Now, you know you are clean and you know IV rehydration is legal in Nevada. But, given the atmosphere about doping in sports in general and the accusations woven into this situation in particular, news of you going to a hospital right before a fight will almost surely have a negative financial effect. And when the media finds out it is for an IV, there will be all sorts of aspersions cast and even calls to postpone or cancel the fight.

You will be facing hours of this. It will be a huge distraction in the medai and it will turn plenty of fans off.

But, you are Floyd and you are smart. You know you can do something completely legal and above board, yet do nothing to endanger the fight or the money. Paramedics are called to the homes of people all the time to administer aid and since the DCO is already on the scene, there is zero risk of any serious questions of integrity holding up to even cursory scrutiny or common sense.

You request a verbal TUE from the DCO, with the knowledge that a formal request will come later. The DCO (after consulting with USADA higher ups) grants it.

Every thing is documented, above board, in the presence of the DCO and a medical professional who is a complete stranger, such that when the whole story is eventually told any questions of cheating are easily dismissed.


How's this theory work?

Worked quite well. I dont think someone like him can simply "Visit" the hospital on the eve of a fight like that. Especially if it can be done in the comfort of his home with all the authorities aware/approval. Any else suggesting otherwise is just scarping the bottom of the barrel or reaching.

[Ray*]

If he went to the hospital the 24 hours leading up to the fight woulda been a media shytstorm and no way they do 4.6M buys.

I remember David Haye v Bellew, rumours were he visited an achilles doctor a few day before the fight. When pictures got out and suggestion were the fight might be re-scheduled everything went through overdrive.

[koolkc107]

Is there really anymore to say here???

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[koolkc107]

I remember David Haye v Bellew, rumours were he visited an achilles doctor a few day before the fight. When pictures got out and suggestion were the fight might be re-scheduled everything went through overdrive.

Can you imagine what happens if it gets out around 3pm the day before the fight that Floyd is in the hospital?

[maracho]

You're still going with this scenario that they can't test frozen samples, huh? Unbelievable.

Here it is from your boy, Conte:



Is that enough?


Or how about this:




What do you think they did with Jon Jones samples after he pissed them? Just left them lying around on an counter top???

His samples were from 12/4 - 1/4. The CIR testing was done after.

January 9th:



Public record of the results coming in on January 15th:

We done now?

You showed Conte's frozen urine quotes earlier and Conte is the source of your new article as well. What's interesting is that USADA did CIR on Jones right after Conte's twitter storm...lol. However, there are at least three things I'm concerned about with Conte's details and sometimes the devil is in the details. By the way, I like Jon Jones and I think he's been kind of persecuted but his case is the case in point

Earlier you were trying to tell me that CIR was being done on Lance Armstrong's frozen urine but that was all about blood doping and France is investigating Armstrong's urine as we speak and they dont appear to be using CIR. Again, the reason for this could have to do with a testosterone half life of only 8 days. For instance, if you notice from your Attorney General citation all the samples plus CIR test were taken in about a month's time, which is within the 8 day half life or about two months according to my calculations. Therefore, Conte's two week window for CIR is probably incorrect. However, Conte is right when he says this 1 month of testing as apposwd to random 24/7/365 is just a farce. Jones could have easily gained all the ped benefits before this CIR and yet still had time to cycle the testosterone out of his body

Likewise, you have also now provided two articles citing Conte's average male testosterone level being 60 ng/ml, which I believe is also incorrect since my findings show a normal average of .1-1.2 ng/ml for woman and 2.4 to 12 ng/ml for men (Jon Jones T level sometimes falls below that of the average woman). I believe Conte meant to say 60 ng/dl instead of ng/m but even that appears incorrect. However, I agree that Conte's premise proves USADA and you incorrect. http://www.hemingways.org/GIDinfo/hrt_ref.htm

For instance #3, urine doesn't necessarily have to be frozen . Urine can be stored at room temperature for more than 2 years using Norgen Biotek Urine Preservative.

Anyway, thanks for that Attorney General stuff, etc.. but please show where CIR is being used on samples older than two months and frozen and why they ain't mentioning all of Jone's older samples.

[Shape up]

1. You ducked the permaban bet. LMAO
2. You've been embarrassed here, son. Don't you get it?
A. Your dumb ass said that Floyd diluted his sample by making it more concentrated! Have you admitted to your blunder yet?
B. You misquoted Jeff Novitzky and still haven't admit that you ****ed that up, have you?
C. You ****ed up by even bringing Novitzky into it when he took USADA's side in the argument
D. You claimed WADA wouldn't give sanctions to USADA because you're an idiot who doesn't know that USADA is a signatory of WADA and has to follow their rules.
E. You finally fessed up that your boy Hauser knows **** all about this information

I'd say I'm the one rubbing your face in it, right? But hey, I'm not finished with you.



Did De La Hoya show signs of dehydration? Did Floyd show signs of dehydration when giving that sample for Mosley? Has NSAC ever found a boxer to be dehydrated? Try again, fool.



LMAO. Thank you for admitting that the guy you get most of your information from is an absolute idiot. How hard would it have been to contact an expert and figure this shlt out instead of looking like a complete moron. But that's your style. Hauser...is that you?



It's less than they give for a hangover, fool.



Tried to hide it from the world by revealing it to the world. Yea, that makes sense. Once again, you're an idiot.



Prepared to be owned again

UFC's Gian Villante gets retroactive TUE on February 24th for a urine test conducted on January 18th -- That would be about a month and a week.
https://ufc.usada.org/gian-villante-...icy-violation/

UFC's Cristiane Justino gets retroactive TUE on February 17th for a urine test conducted on December 5th -- That would be over 2 months.
https://ufc.usada.org/cristiane-just...icy-violation/

How's that?



If he went to the hospital, he wouldn't need a TUE you moron!!!!



They followed the rules in the contract which stated that they would contact NSAC as soon as the application was approved, which they did. Sorry, you butthurt f@g.




Face the facts that you have been humiliated over and over and you are still ducking my questions:

1. How did Mayweather dilute his sample if it was checked for possible dilution by the DCO and the independent lab?

2. Why didn't WADA place sanctions against USADA if USADA broke WADA's rules.

ANSWERED YOUR QUESTIONS. NOW LET'S SEE YOU ANSWER MY QUESTIONS, BlOTCHHHH!

You answered nothing little girl, (A)were they Olympians, NO, (B) was there alternative treatment available for asthma, NO,
(C)they looked over justinos medical history, interviewed her doctor, (D) did fluid have an alternative treatment available yes, drink water you gimp ped cheat

[travestyny]

You showed Conte's frozen urine quotes earlier and Conte is the source of your new article as well. What's interesting is that USADA did CIR on Jones right after Conte's twitter storm...lol. However, there are at least three things I'm concerned about with Conte's details and sometimes the devil is in the details. By the way, I like Jon Jones and I think he's been kind of persecuted but his case is the case in point

Earlier you were trying to tell me that CIR was being done on Lance Armstrong's frozen urine but that was all about blood doping and France is investigating Armstrong's urine as we speak and they dont appear to be using CIR. Again, the reason for this could have to do with a testosterone half life of only 8 days. For instance, if you notice from your Attorney General citation all the samples plus CIR test were taken in about a month's time, which is within the 8 day half life or about two months according to my calculations. Therefore, Conte's two week window for CIR is probably incorrect. However, Conte is right when he says this 1 month of testing as apposwd to random 24/7/365 is just a farce. Jones could have easily gained all the ped benefits before this CIR and yet still had time to cycle the testosterone out of his body

Likewise, you have also now provided two articles citing Conte's average male testosterone level being 60 ng/ml, which I believe is also incorrect since my findings show a normal average of .1-1.2 ng/ml for woman and 2.4 to 12 ng/ml for men (Jon Jones T level sometimes falls below that of the average woman). I believe Conte meant to say 60 ng/dl instead of ng/m but even that appears incorrect. However, I agree that Conte's premise proves USADA and you incorrect. http://www.hemingways.org/GIDinfo/hrt_ref.htm

For instance #3, urine doesn't necessarily have to be frozen . Urine can be stored at room temperature for more than 2 years using Norgen Biotek Urine Preservative.

Anyway, thanks for that Attorney General stuff, etc.. but please show where CIR is being used on samples older than two months and frozen and why they ain't mentioning all of Jone's older samples.

Dude, you were the one who brought Conte into this discussion, now you are rambling about how he is wrong about this and that. What gives?

It's ok to admit that you were wrong. Just stop it!

If an athlete was using testosterone to cheat, levels of testosterone would increase but the amount of epitestosterone in their body would not. CIR testing can be used retrospectively, so investigators could go back and examine samples collected in previous years.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/oth...#ixzz4vo4R7cMs
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Follow-up tests of Floyd Landis?s urine samples from the 2006 Tour de France have tested positive for traces of synthetic testosterone, French newspaper L’Equipe reported on Monday.
L’Equipe said in a story on their website (www.equipe.fr) that the B samples were positive for the so-called IRMS test that can identify if the testosterone is synthetic.

Read more at http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/la...42Tty9VmsaS.99

Floyd Landis was tested in July 2006. His samples were retested using CIR testing in April of 2007. They were found positive.

Can you admit you are wrong now?