Here's Where All The Floyd Cheat Theories Fail

[GGG Gloveking]

I personally wouldn't say that's the crux of the argument. For me, the crux has to do with whether he used PED's or not. I really don't care if he had saline and some vitamins.

Those who are throwing around accusations haven't been able to make any sense of how he would have done it or why, if USADA helped, they would have involved so many different en****** and left a papertrail. It simply makes no sense.

Look man, I've seen you at work. You'll go 35 pages, changing font sizes and colors, to defend your position. But the bottom line is this, just like you said, if Floyd had gone to the hospital, he wouldn't have needed a TUE. There would have been no doubt.

Why would you want to have to go 35 pages arguing about TE levels, CIR tests, I Vs and all that when it could have all been avoided with a simple ER visit? Why even have the conversation?

[travestyny]

Look man, I've seen you at work. You'll go 35 pages, changing font sizes and colors, to defend your position. But the bottom line is this, just like you said, if Floyd had gone to the hospital, he wouldn't have needed a TUE. There would have been no doubt.

Why would you want to have to go 35 pages arguing about TE levels, CIR tests, I Vs and all that when it could have all been avoided with a simple ER visit? Why even have the conversation?

If I'm not mistaken, the conversation is about alleged PED use. The topic states "Floyd Cheat Theories." I thought that's what we were discussing, no?

[GGG Gloveking]

If I'm not mistaken, the conversation is about alleged PED use. The topic states "Floyd Cheat Theories." I thought that's what we were discussing, no?

If the man had gone to the hospital, like you said, we wouldn't need to have this conversation, would we?

[koolkc107]

This right here is the crux of the whole Floyd controversy. If he could have carried his ass to the hospital and done it the right way, we'd never be having this conversation about saline and TUEs

The problem with trying to **** Floyd with the retroactive TUE is that:

1) They are granted all the time, some with odder circumstances than what happened with Mayweather and,

2) The organization that oversees USADA has found nothing wrong.

See, you can do a conspiraracy theory with NSAC by talking about how much Floyd brings into Las Vegas each fight- even tho Vegas was OK before Mayweather and is fine now that he is retired.

You can do a conspiracy theory with USADA by alleging Floyd paid them off, or paid of the DCOs, or paid off the labs, or paid off the USADA officials- even tho there are too many moving parts to assure everyone's silence and complicity and even tho such theories do not take into account several other parties involved that can potentially spill the beans (new lab employees that didn't get paid off, hospital and paramedic personnel, TMT members who were eyewitnesses and need some money, etc). You can do such theories even tho USADA busted the hell out of other athletes that could have paid them off just like they think Floyd did.

But, you can't trot out conspiracy theories about WADA.

WADA has no dog in the hunt, oversees USADA, has access to EVERYTHING, and certainly DGAF about Floyd or his legacy.

They have had access to everything from DAY 1, have busted athletes from many sports, including boxers- just ask Russia.

Yet WADA has never said anything about Floyd cheating.

They, along with USADA and NSAC, give Mayweather a clean bill of health AFTER OVER 7 YEARS OF TESTING.

BTW, I find it pathetic that Mayweather accusers can't even really site examples in boxing that may or may not apply to Floyd.

The best they can seem to come up with is always about another sport: Cycling.

They love to talk about about what Floyd may or may not have done with EPO (and we know why EPO is so important to them since it was the substance another fighter is alleged to have used by insiders in that fighters camp).

But it turns out that, even if they were right (not a snowball's chance in Hell they are, but let's pretend a second) it wouldn't matter a damned bit.

Here's a link to a recent study that proves that EPO is in fact a chimera.

http://www.cyclingweekly.com/fitness/does-epo-actually-boost-cycling-performance-260630

The blood doping everyone is bantering back and forth about?

Completely useless and ineffective.

Cyclists who took a placebo did better than riders who took the real thing.

So much for any advantage from EPO.

ANY TALK ABOUT EPO OR MASKING EPO IS MOOT.

Cuz it don't do shyt.

Yer welcome....LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!

[GGG Gloveking]

The problem with trying to **** Floyd with the retroactive TUE is that

1) They are granted all the time, some with odder circumstnces than what happened with Mayweather and

2) The organization that oversees USADA has found nothing wrong.

See, you can do a conspiraracy theory with NSAC by talking about how much Floyd brings into Las Vegas each fight- even tho Vegas was OK before Mayweather and is fine now that he is retired/

You can do a conspiracy theory with USADA by alleging Floyd paid them off, or paid of the DCOs, or paid off the labs, or paid off the USADA officials- even tho there are too many moving parts to assure everyone's silence and complicity and even tho such theories do not take into account several other parties involved that can potentially spill the beans (new lab employees that didn't get paid off, hospital and paramedic personnel, TMT members who were eyewitnesses and need some money, etc). You can do such theories even tho USADA busted the hell out of other athletes that could have paid them off just like they think Floyd did

But, you can't trot out conspiracy theories about WADA.

WADA has no dog in the hunt, oversees USADA, has access to EVERYTHING, and certainly DGAF about Floyd or his legacy.

They have had access to everything from DAY 1, have busted athletes from many sports, including boxers- just ask Russia.

Yet WADA has never said anything about Floyd cheating.

They, along with USADA and NSAC, give Mayweather a clean bill of health AFTER OVER 7 YEARS OF TESTING.

BTW, I find it pathetic that Mayweather accusers can't even really site examples in boxing that may or may not apply to Floyd.

The best they can seem to come up with is always about another sport: Cycling.

They love to talk about about what Floyd may or may not have done with EPO (and we know why EPO is so important to them since it was the substance another fighter is alleged to have used by insiders in that fighters camp).

But it turns out that, even if they were right (not a snowball's chance in Hell they are, but let's pretend a second) it wouldn't matter a damned bit.

Here's a link to a recent study that proves that EPO is in fact a chimera.

http://www.cyclingweekly.com/fitness/does-epo-actually-boost-cycling-performance-260630

The blood doping everyone is bantering back and forth about?

Completely useless and ineffective.

Cyclists who took a placebo did better than riders who took the real thing.

So much for any advantage from EPO.

ANY TALK ABOUT EPO OR MASKING EPO IS MOOT.

Cuz it don't do shyt.

Yer welcome....LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!

That's a whole lot of talk, and none of addresses what I said, or rather, what TravestyNY said, which is if the man had gone to the hospital, no tue would have been needed. You're giving me a bunch of info that I'm not debating, not asking for.

You guys seem happier to argue about it than to say if he had done his sh it right, there would be no argument

[travestyny]

If the man had gone to the hospital, like you said, we wouldn't need to have this conversation, would we?

Dude, the thing is that no one can go back and change the events that happened. It's easy to say, "Well if he would have went to a hospital." The DCO was with him. He didn't go to a hospital. We know that.

So sure, if he would have went to the hospital, there would be nothing to discuss. I guess that's what you want to hear.

But we're talking about alleged PED use. The OP stated very well why these theories fail. That's the discussion.

[koolkc107]

That's a whole lot of talk, and none of addresses what I said, or rather, what TravestyNY said, which is if the man had gone to the hospital, no tue would have been needed. You're giving me a bunch of info that I'm not debating, not asking for.

You guys seem happier to argue about it than to say if he had done his sh it right, there would be no argument

Actually, it was the first thing I addressed in my post.

I said TUEs are granted under weirder circumstances than what happened with Floyd and left it there.

What I was trying to avoid is what you and other Floyd accusers are doing- coming up with wild theories to explain how Floyd MIGHT HAVE cheated, when every logical conclusion says otherwise.

Getting near 500 posts here and none of you can explain why the sample the DCO took BEFORE THE IV was as clean as the one after and EVERY SINGLE SAMPLE TAKEN IN CAMP.

500 posts and none of you have an answer why WADA hasn't stepped in and blew the whistle on USADA if indeed they were bought off.

Travestyny and others have been LITERALLY STOMPING THE SHYT OUT OF EVERY BULLCRAP THEORY, but here you are still trying.

So, it is time for a bullshyt theory of my own- let's see if it makes sense.

You are Floyd Mayweather and you are dehydrated. You have been drinking all sorts of fluids but nothing is helping. You are on the eve of the biggest fight in boxing history and the last thing you need is a scandal.

Now, you know you are clean and you know IV rehydration is legal in Nevada. But, given the atmosphere about doping in sports in general and the accusations woven into this situation in particular, news of you going to a hospital right before a fight will almost surely have a negative financial effect. And when the media finds out it is for an IV, there will be all sorts of aspersions cast and even calls to postpone or cancel the fight.

You will be facing hours of this. It will be a huge distraction in the medai and it will turn plenty of fans off.

But, you are Floyd and you are smart. You know you can do something completely legal and above board, yet do nothing to endanger the fight or the money. Paramedics are called to the homes of people all the time to administer aid and since the DCO is already on the scene, there is zero risk of any serious questions of integrity holding up to even cursory scrutiny or common sense.

You request a verbal TUE from the DCO, with the knowledge that a formal request will come later. The DCO (after consulting with USADA higher ups) grants it.

Every thing is documented, above board, in the presence of the DCO and a medical professional who is a complete stranger, such that when the whole story is eventually told any questions of cheating are easily dismissed.


How's this theory work?

[GGG Gloveking]

Actually, it was the first thing I addressed in my post.

I said TUEs are granted under weirder circumsyances than what happened with Floyd and left it there.

What I was trying to avoid is what you and other Floyd accusers are doing- coming up with wild theories to explain how Floyd MIGHT HAVE cheated, when every logical conclusion says otherwise.

Getting near 500 posts here and none of you can explain why the sample the DCO took BEFORE THE IV was as clean as the one after and EVERY SINGLE SAMPLE TAKEN IN CAMP.

500 posts and none of you have an answer why WADA hasn't stepped in and blew the whistle on USADA if indeed they were bought off.

Travestyny and other have been LITERALLY STOMPING THE SHYT OUT OF EVERY BULLCRAP THEORY but here you are still trying.

So, it is time for a bullshyt theory of my own- let's see if it makes sense.

You are Floyd Mayweather and you are dehydrated. You have been drinking all sorts of fluids but nothing is helping. You are on the eve of the biggest fight in boxing history and the last thing you need is a scandal.

Now, you know you are clean and you know IV rehydration is legal in Nevada. But, given the atmosphere about doping in sports in general and the accusations woven into this situation in particular, news of you going to a hospital right before a fight will almost surely have a negative financial effect. And when the media finds out it is for an IV, there will be all sorts of aspersions cast and even calls to postpone or cancel the fight.

But, you are Floyd and you are smart. You know you can do something completely legal and above board, yet do nothing to endanger the fight or the money. Paramedics are called to the homes of people all the time to administer aid and since the DCO is already on the scene, there is zero risk of any serious questions of integrity holding up to even cursory scrutiny or common sense.

You request a verbal TUE from the DCO, with the knowledge that a formal request will come later. The DCO (after consulting with USADA higher ups) grants it.

Every thing is documented, above board, in the presence of the DCO and a medical professional who is a complete stranger, such that when the whole story is eventually told any questions of cheating are easily dismissed.


How's this theory work?

The problem is you're too busy writing these lengthy ass posts and not reading what I'm actually saying. Stop putting words in my mouth. I haven't said anything about whether or not the man cheated, but rather addressed a simple point made by TravestyNY, which is if the man went to the hospital, this discussion wouldn't be happening. Nothing more, nothing less.

[koolkc107]

The problem is you're too busy writing these lengthy ass posts and not reading what I'm actually saying. Stop putting words in my mouth. I haven't said anything about whether or not the man cheated, but rather addressed a simple point made by TravestyNY, which is if the man went to the hospital, this discussion wouldn't be happening. Nothing more, nothing less.

And in my last lengthy ass post, I explained why he might not want to go to the hospital.

[GGG Gloveking]

And in my last lengthy ass post, I explained why he might not want to go to the hospital.

Honestly, I stopped reading when you cAlled me a Floyd accuser. If you're not going to read short posts, putting words in my mouth, I'm only going to skim yours.

The man didnt follow the rules, and required an exemption. A simple er visit would have resolved the matter. Instead, 2 years later, it's IV and usada talk