Here's Where All The Floyd Cheat Theories Fail

[koolkc107]

Mayweather is in “very good shape and we are now on maintaining mode and won’t push it. WE don’t want to over train,” Ariza said via Philboxing.com. Mayweather’s condition “is great and Floyd looks phenomenal."

Mayweather is reportedly taking a break from sparring for several days to keep him strong and fresh for the fight. They’re not going to work him to the bone for this fight because they know what they’re doing, and they don’t want him dragging himself into the ring on May 2nd to fight Pacquiao under those conditions. They realize that for Mayweather to be as strong as he can be, he’s going to need to back off from the conditioning and sparring before the week before the fight.

And that has what to do with him still not taking a whole lot of fluids in the last week to stay on weight again?

[koolkc107]

a significant weight cut or ped use are the 2 obvious ones.

Yep.

IVs CAN be used to mask or dilute PEDs.

'Cept in this case, a sample was collected before the IV.

It tested the same as every other sample collected by USADA.

[koolkc107]

lololololol.. i thought that's what ariza was there for...

Legacy fight + Floyd being a gym beast even under ordinary circumstances...Not Ariza or anyone else was going to control that.

[koolkc107]

This is still going? Lol. I wonder how far this is going to go. It looks very interesting as a spectator.

Just answering this again so you don't get confused as to either which thread you posted this first in and as to who started stealing posts from someone else's thread.

Gotta admit he's funny tho...

[travestyny]

1. No, you are saying that Floyd is always on PEDs.

I'm saying that there are multiple possible scenarios!!! Did I not???????


Something tells me that you took a comment made by someone like Conte and think that is what all PED users do? Cycle off before training camp? Let me know where you got this idea that Floyd couldn't possibly be micro dosing during his training camp? Or any drug that stays in your system for just hours? Are you saying that this is not possible? WOW!

That wasn't the point of the question. It was YOU who said he "cycles off of PED's before the testing period" and "maintains an artificial HT level." You have since backtracked on both of these stances. Do you know why? It makes no sense. Let me continue this thought with the examples you give below.

FYI - Some drugs it's better to be cycling off of it before testing commences since there is a higher probability of getting caught since it stays in your system for a longer period. With some of these drugs, the effects last a much longer time so its OK to cycle off. So why take the risks .... unless you know of how to mask the drug!


but

then there are other drugs which are better if you continue to take due to its effects and since they have a lower probability of getting caught because they are out of your system relatively quickly. Some hours, some days. If you micro dose on some of these PEDs, it's out of your system very quickly.

As I said before, with some drugs, by the time the DCO comes knocking at the door the DCO may be too late. Sometimes the DCO shows up when you do not expect them. So you try to delay as much as possible. Maybe only an hour is sufficient (delay) but you drag it out as much as you can to be on the safe side. Floyd was allowed to delay 6+ hours!

See. Now instead of going with your "he cycles off" speculation, now it's that he microdoses DURING testing. But you gave a weak effort to not completely backtrack, so you speculate that he takes one type of PED before testing, and then microdoses during testing. All based on absolutely nothing. The obvious questions are:

A. If he can microdose through USADA testing over a 2 month period, why does he have to cycle off of anything? That was the point of the question. And your answer is because he wants to take a different type of drug before testing begins. Cool fantasy, bro. I think I made my point that your contention made no sense.

B. Now the question that you didn't answer. You keep bringing up a delay. If the first sample taken before the IV is not delayed, even if mixed with the sample after the IV, you think the scientists behind WADA are so ****** to allow for this process to be a part of their rules when it compromises the sample? Do you really think they are that ******? This is common sense. He microdosed through the entire testing period, yet only needed an IV for rehydration at the point where he would be rehydrating...being after the weigh-in. Seems to make sense that it was for REHYDRATION and not masking. The DCO was present BEFORE the IV. You're still trying to go by this "the DCO popped up at the wrong time" scenario, which makes no sense if the DCO took a partial sample before the IV, which in turn makes no sense if the DCO was paid off or instructed to let Mayweather get away with cheating.

2. What are you talking about? Athletes try to fool the system all the time.



There are three pillars in which the whole TUE system rests.

“The first is an honest athlete, the second one is that you need a doctor with the integrity and the ethics to not also manipulate the system, and the third one is that you need credible oversight from the sport’s governing body and then WADA,” he said. “If any one of those three things fails, then the TUE system can be abused.”

You keep quoting this guy. It can be abused. Yea, ok. So what? Who is your source for this anyway? I thought this came from someone connected to WADA. All I could find is that this is some guy named Ross Tucker who is an exercise physiologist. Good for him. The fact of the matter is that there is a gauntlet put in place to prevent the system from being abused.

Here is a case where there are witnesses that know the truth yet you think that USADA TUEC gets it right every time? If done right, they just see what the athlete's doctor wants to show them:
"In July 2015, Rupp and his coach Alberto Salazar were accused by former members of the Oregon Project of manipulating the TUE system for performance gain and faking symptoms in an effort to be prescribed legal thyroid medications. Those medications could help with a runner’s energy levels, allowing an athlete to train with more intensity and volume. Rupp, who won the bronze medal at the 2016 Olympic marathon, and Salazar have strongly denied those accusations."

I'm assuming that you didn't look into this at all. By "abusing the the****utic use exemptions system," apparently what was meant was trying to work around it so that a TUE would NOT have to be applied for. The guy gave infusions, via small injections under 50ml. He had several emails with someone at USADA who specializes in TUE's to understand the rules and in particular when a TUE would NOT have to be applied for. Oh, and there is a document detailing all of this, once again, BY USADA. Isn't it ironic that each time you deflect to another athlete, it's USADA who is on their ass?

Here is one of his emails to his athletes, in which he tells them they will NOT need a TUE. HE OBVIOUSLY WAS TRYING TO AVOID THE TUE PROCESS!

HI Dathan, Alvina ,and Galen, For your interest. When asked about an Infusion, you are to say no. LCarnitine and Iron in the way we have it done is classified as an injection. So no TUE’s and no declaration needed, not online and not when asked about infusions when getting drug tested in or out of competition.. Thanks.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B12...puUklyRzQ/view

It's an over 200 page document by USADA. Feel free to look into it!

Options 1 & 2: Sorry but other athletes (see above example) can do it even with no help besides the doctor of the athlete. The difference here is that Floyd pays off USADA big time.

1. You're pointing out the case above, where nothing was done by TUE. lmao. Go look at the document. What is interesting is that infusions were done and only found out about through word of mouth. Hmmm. This actually speaks against your theory and for my theory that USADA could easily have just ignored the infusion if they wanted to help him cheat. And now I have proof that they could have done so. Thanks.

2. You deflected from the question. It is clear. It asks why USADA, if they were paid off for the purposes of cheating (which would have happened at sometime far before the IV being administered, correct?) would put it's head on the block in an egregious manner by including the DCO, the paramedic, Floyd's physician, the 3 TUEC doctors, and WADA into the equation, and also revealing the information to Pac and NSAC. Does it make sense for them to do that, or just ignore the infusion? I'm still waiting for your answer.

By the way, everyone knows that USADA charges six figures for their testing. The amount for Berto Guerrero was also six figures. When Richard Schaefer was working at Golden Boy, he admit that:

As previously reported by several news sources and confirmed with Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer himself, USADA’s cost for two fighters to be tested for training camp (roughly 8-12 weeks) is $100,000.

If there were anything going wrong, I wonder why old De La Hoya hasn't blown the whistle on USADA, hmmm? What do you think?

So USADA avoids thoroughly vetting which is just one example of what USADA should have done but DID NOT.

Kinda leads into "Option 3" below




You forgot this:
Option 3 - USADA thoroughly vets Floyd and finds out:
- Floyd's weight: There are stats for 30 days. Floyd weighed relatively the same!!! RETRO TUE REJECTED RIGHT THERE!!!

- Double checks with Floyd's Vitals ..... ALL NORMAL!!!! RETRO TUE REJECTED RIGHT THERE!!!

- Checks with Floyd's pre-fight form ..... No medical conditions reported, ALL NORMAL!!!! RETRO TUE REJECTED RIGHT THERE!!!

- Interviews NSAC physician ..... They agree since they checked Floyd's vitals and more. Floyd showed no significant signs of dehydration, ALL NORMAL!!!! RETRO TUE REJECTED RIGHT THERE!!!

- Video of Floyd saying that he walks around at 150, 148 and doesn't dehydrate his body like others .... says life is great. This was after Floyd gets the BANNED IV!!! RETRO TUE REJECTED RIGHT THERE!!!

- Video of Floyd BS excuses which contradicts his statements of the past 5 years. For Manny, giving blood is a bad excuse but for Floyd its an excuse to get BANNED METHOD??? WTF!!! RETRO TUE REJECTED RIGHT THERE!!!

- Video of Floyd saying that for his FINAL DAYS, he would be relaxing and going to the gym just a little bit to stay sharp. NO CRAZY WORKOUTs that can drain Floyd like his BS excuses!!! Floyd is a LIAR!!! RETRO TUE REJECTED RIGHT THERE!!!

BUT THERE IS MORE if USADA thoroughly vets Floyd
- If Floyd says he required it at a time where heavy training was over, did Floyd use IVs before? It would take time but this would need to be investigated.

- WADA says that if there are alternatives, to use that not BANNED IVs. USADA can do an investigation including what the DCO saw and videos. Was Floyd able to drink fluids? YES!!! Did Floyd drink fluids? YES!!! RETRO TUE REJECTED RIGHT THERE!!!

- Simple MATH - Makes no sense!!! Weighed in at 146 and previously week weighed in at 148 and week before that 149. If you do NOT drink anything, the math already doesn't add up!!! RETRO TUE REJECTED RIGHT THERE!!!
BUT Floyd DID DRINK adequately! 146 + drinking plenty of fluids = 147? 148? 149? RETRO TUE REJECTED RIGHT THERE!!! Floyd eats = 150? 151?


and I'm sure that USADA could have found out more good info!!!

We've been through this already. NSAC has never to my knowledge diagnosed a boxer as dehydrated. Nor has a boxer ever declared dehydration to NSAC.

However, we both know damn well that boxers have been dehydrated while being examined by NSAC.

You choose to ignore that 3 TUEC doctors DID VET this situation. You are saying they didn't based on it taking two days (not one that you keep insisting) for them to figure out if the IV was warranted. You think 3 doctors can't figure this out in 2 days? Your squirming is evident because you first say Floyd's doctor abuses the system to trick them, but then you say they didn't look into it at all. So which is it? Both? Do you see how much you have to blatantly make up for your conspiracy theory to make sense? Again, if they "rubberstamped it," then they were a part of the conspiracy. That's 3 more people to worry about that didn't have to be involved, no?

The case of him being dehydrated in the Mosley bout makes it clear that it is not dependent on weight.

Also, I don't believe this had to be an emergency at all. I found this rule the other day, and it seems this is the TUE rule that is being relied upon here:

From the ISTUE:

4.4.5 If an Anti-Doping Organization chooses to collect a Sample from a Person who is not an International-Level or National-Level Athlete, and that Person is Using a Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method for the****utic reasons, the Anti-Doping Organization may permit him or her to apply for a retroactive TUE.

You can then see this again in the section specifically about retro TUE's

4.3 An Athlete may only be granted retroactive approval for his/her The****utic Use of a Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method (i.e., a retroactive TUE) if:

a. Emergency treatment or treatment of an acute medical condition was necessary; or
b. Due to other exceptional circumstances, there was insufficient time or opportunity for the Athlete to submit, or for the TUEC to consider, an application for the TUE prior to Sample collection; or
c. The applicable rules required the Athlete (see comment to Article 5.1 ) or permitted the Athlete (see Code Article 4.4.5) to apply for a retroactive TUE; or...

As you can see, A (emergency treatment or treatment of an acute medical condition) need not apply. As he is not deemed an international or national athlete, he is permitted to apply for this retroactively. He still has to meet the conditions for a TUE, mainly being there is no better alternative and it is needed to treat an acute or chronic condition. So no need for an emergency. Whether it was considered acute or chronic (allowed to rehydrate yet still found to be affected), I do not know. What I do know is that rules don't seem to be broken here, and 4 doctors, 3 of which didn't have his name on the application, approved of what took place. Doctors that all would have a lot to lose if any of the other spills the beans, if something shady was done. Doctors that individually would have a lot to gain if there were beans to be spilled.

3.
a) The Nick Diaz case, the WADA accredited SMRTL came back with Specific Gravity readings that are below the recommended SG values. It made the sample invalid.

b) LABs test too for Specific Gravity. Why duplicate the process. You know why.

c) There has been studies where the same urine sample was given to different testers. There was a difference in SG values.

d) There can be differences due to the variables that can include urine temperature, urine sample, .....


e) "In our experience, SG measured by the refractometer is consistently more accurate than the reagent strip. For the clinician who is interpreting urine SG results, it is important to be aware of these limitations and understand the reasons for possible potential errors of each particular method."


f) Remember that Floyd was drinking adequately way before he received an IV. Alex Ariza has been known to keep his athletes hydrated well. Floyd Mayweather would not be an exception. We have the video clips to prove all of this.


"Undetectable EPO concentrations may also occur at early times after hyperhydration at all hydration levels .


In addition, even in normal PK profile, undetectable EPO may also occur due to circadian rhythm of urine production


Hyper hydration affects at all hydration levels"


g) What was really in the IV and what did Floyd drink/eat during that long delay? Anything to keep the Specific Gravity values just above the limit?
or
h) May produce a darker color of urine? IV had vitamins that can change the color but what else? What else did he eat? Beets can change the color of the urine a lot, for example.
or
i) Floyd perhaps wanted a 2nd or 3rd crack at urinating into a cup. Perhaps he was unsuccessful the first time and wanted that opportunity so that he can contaminate (mask) the urine sample as other athletes have done in the past.

j) Finally, it's not mandatory that the DCO take or should I say, have a SG reading. If Floyd is having trouble even producing a urine sample, then there would be no urine left over to test for SG ... DCO would put a note that its OK due to Floyd's BS dehydration and expect a TUE note from the FLoyd's doctor to explain all this.

k) If lets say there is a low specific gravity(below the acceptable limit) and DCO asks Floyd to redo, then that would be even better for FLoyd whose goal could be to just delay as much as possible and get his urine as dilute as possible. The more delays and the more dilute, the better chance that the drug will not be detectable. Yes, even if the value is above the limit it's still more dilute and better chance to be undetectable as time goes by!

l) How long did this take? 6+ hours!!! Plus the time that elapsed since Floyd took his PEDs. More than enough time .....

All of this is a deflection. None of it gives any actual proof that the DCO is ill equipped to measure the specific gravity of a sample. Furthermore, this is highly speculative. What was in the IV??? Isn't that why the sample was tested afterward? SPG isn't mandatory? Uh...yes it is. Are you just making up shlt now? Do you think it's just "OK" if an athlete can't provide a suitable sample? DCO stays until he gets one, unless it is impossible to continue. Floyd had to do redos? Dude, all of this speculation to deflect from the fact that you have absolutely no proof that the DCO is unskilled in getting the SPG of a sample.

4. I answered this already below ....

But how can someone not be able to give urine for all that time while drinking all the fluids that Floyd drank and Floyd made weight EASILY?

He did give urine. He gave a partial sample before the IV.

Here's what you did NOT answer:

A. Do you believe this (Mosley example) shows a dehydrated Mayweather? If yes, you believe this because he was working out at the time of the DCO coming, correct?

B. Do you think it's possible that he went on a run or did some other type of work out before the weigh-in? Possibly the night before the weigh in (I think he usually goes running late..around 1am or something) and didn't rehydrate after (why would he rehydrated before a weigh-in)?

C. Do you believe that it's possible that he had become dehydrated in the course of training and because he had to maintain weight, never hydrated back to a normal level?

D. Do you agree that it makes sense that, just as in this example, he gave his partial sample IMMEDIATELY, which means there was no delay on the initial sample.

E. Don't you think the people at WADA are smart enough to know whether testing would be compromised when giving a partial sample immediately and then another sample sometime after?

Let's see if you can answer honestly.

[Shape up]

Wrong again, dumbass.

What is this now, the fiftieth time?

USADA is a WADA signatory.

WADA signatories can grant TUEs retroactive or otherwise.

USADA was contracted to do the fight.

Floyd requested the TUE not because he had to- NSAC allows what he did- but because he wanted to stay WADA compliant as he has since he began using the testing and his ABP.

I would ask if you got it THIS time.

But, I know your ******ed azz will be right back at it as soon as you take another fawning look at Manny's poster hanging on your wall.

Til then, chucklehead...

Wada rule states otherwise, just like all the other rules you 2 bozos have chosen to ignore, I think it's about 10 now, I think I will call you nail 2 and ******ny nail 1 because your getting smashed so often

[travestyny]

Wada rule states otherwise, just like all the other rules you 2 bozos have chosen to ignore, I think it's about 10 now, I think I will call you nail 2 and ******ny nail 1 because your getting smashed so often

We're getting smashed? But why don't you want to accept the perma ban bet?

Are you down? yes or no? I'll wait for your answer.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Then our definitions of "clean" differ.

Vitamins not produced by the athlete's own body fit your description of illegal enhancers.

But, athletes now have access to legal supplements, hyperbaric chambers, stem cells, all sorts of legal things (depending on the sport) than can either help recovery from an injury or help performance.

As long as these substances are not harmful or banned, I say more power to the athlete that finds something that works for them.

We will have to agree to disagree here!

The thing is though, there aren't any artificial supplements / substances / drugs one can consume which will be 100% safe without some side effects or risks. Hence, they are artificial! Even legal ones. So nobody is immune to 100% 'harm' if they decide to enhance themselves artificially through chemical means.

For me, I don't see why any PED should be illegal. Making one legal and another illegal is simply cherry picking arbitrarily. Especially when both the legal and illegal PED provide the exact same benefits. Which is why I really don't care if any athlete is taking any PED but hey, that's just my opinion!

[Mr Objecitivity]

Just answering this again so you don't get confused as to either which thread you posted this first in and as to who started stealing posts from someone else's thread.

Gotta admit he's funny tho...

No problem!

[koolkc107]

Wada rule states otherwise, just like all the other rules you 2 bozos have chosen to ignore, I think it's about 10 now, I think I will call you nail 2 and ******ny nail 1 because your getting smashed so often

No they don't say otherwise.

You simply have one helluva bad reading comprehension problem is all.

The Code is clear and so is the ISTUE, but damned if you can understand either one of them.