Here's Where All The Floyd Cheat Theories Fail

[travestyny]

again with this, fluid could have injected EPO and gotten away with it

You're an idiot.


Did you go ask ADP02 to vouch for you yet? I dare you bltch.


That's right, I dare you bltch. Why are you being a pvssy? Are you afraid that he's going to explain that you're a moron. He was here since I mentioned him in the post about you, and he didn't say shlt. Do you wonder why?


Ask him, so I can laugh at you. Or accept the perma-ban bet. Why are you scared?

[Zaroku]

You're an idiot.


Did you go ask ADP02 to vouch for you yet? I dare you bltch.


That's right, I dare you bltch. Why are you being a pvssy? Are you afraid that he's going to explain that you're a moron. He was here since I mentioned him in the post about you, and he didn't say shlt. Do you wonder why?


Ask him, so I can laugh at you. Or accept the perma-ban bet. Why are you scared?

Another one is about to bite the dust..

[Shape up]

You're an idiot.


Did you go ask ADP02 to vouch for you yet? I dare you bltch.


That's right, I dare you bltch. Why are you being a pvssy? Are you afraid that he's going to explain that you're a moron. He was here since I mentioned him in the post about you, and he didn't say shlt. Do you wonder why?


Ask him, so I can laugh at you. Or accept the perma-ban bet. Why are you scared?

And as per usual, you have not been able to answer any question with proof, all you do is post garbage rule where it states, COULD, IF, MAYBE, nothing with certainty, like, PROHIBITED AT ALL TIMES

[travestyny]

And as per usual, you have not been able to answer any question with proof, all you do is post garbage rule where it states, COULD, IF, MAYBE, nothing with certainty, like, PROHIBITED AT ALL TIMES

I answered your questions with proof a zillion times already.

But you're an idiot.

THat's why I said...perma-ban challenge.

or ask ADP02.


So which one? Stop stalling like a bltch.

[Shape up]

I answered your questions with proof a zillion times already.

But you're an idiot.

THat's why I said...perma-ban challenge.

or ask ADP02.


So which one? Stop stalling like a bltch.

you have answered nothing as usual, why would I do a permaban with an out and out liar

[travestyny]

you have answered nothing as usual, why would I do a permaban with an out and out liar

You should have learned something from when you claimed I was lying, and I proved I was telling the truth.

You should have learned that you’re an idiot.

Why not just accept the challenge. If I lose and I don’t leave, you can clown me forever like I do to ADP for losing our bet. Step up.

[Shape up]

You should have learned something from when you claimed I was lying, and I proved I was telling the truth.

You should have learned that you’re an idiot.

Why not just accept the challenge. If I lose and I don’t leave, you can clown me forever like I do to ADP for losing our bet. Step up.

You proved nothing gimp, you used usada annex A where clearly it was WADA annex A you ***wit

[ADP02]

This is exactly what I mean. A whole bunch of bullshlt. You are sinking. All of the quotations are here to be verified. I let you post and post until I knew you had nowhere to hide. That’s what happens when you are full of shlt.

Here are your statements. Your direct quotations:



THIS IS FALSE.



This is false.


No amount of your deflections are going to save you.

It’s over!


—edit—

Are you asking me if dehydration is an exceptional circumstance that would allow the DCO to stop the collection session? As I told you a billion times now, we both know that it is not. Is it clear?

Edit 2

Already explained why the containers excuse wouldn’t hold up. Go check my other posts. I explained that completely.

Nice try keyboard warrior.

You can say what you will after the fact but during our discussion this is what transpired.



Let's just recap your BS:


What you did was DEFLECT from one point to another without admitting that you were WRONG or at the very least admitting that I had valid points.

For that reason and more, you kept on digging yourself into a hole instead of acknowledging my points.



1) You brought up 2 options of how the cheating had to be done and deflected on alternative options. Reason for your deflections is to try to make it a huge conspiracy that just couldn't have happened but as stated, has happened in the past.

WRONG!!! While those are possible options (SEE LANCE AMRSTRONG for example). There are other ways that Floyd could have cheated.

a) As stated in other posts, if you have a cheating Floyd and his doctor .... it's possible.

I know that you do not like the truth but this is the truth and if you look further down, you can see an example of it for IV below!!!

There are three pillars in which the whole TUE system rests.

“The first is an honest athlete, the second one is that you need a doctor with the integrity and the ethics to not also manipulate the system, and the third one is that you need credible oversight from the sport’s governing body and then WADA,” he said. “If any one of those three things fails, then the TUE system can be abused.”

b) As stated in other posts, if you have a cheating Floyd, his doctor and the well paid USADA who is willing to not be as forceful (minimally compliant) and not as thoroughly vet as could have .... it's possible.

c) TUEC's are established by USADA and USADA knows that Floyd is requesting a TUE. USADA can speak to their TUECs!

d) TUEC's only have what Floyd and his doctor wants them to see.


Here is a case where there are witnesses that know the truth yet you think that USADA TUEC gets it right every time? If done right, they just see what the athlete's doctor wants to show them:

Read further down where it proves that YOU WERE WRONG in your response to this a few days ago!!!

"In July 2015, Rupp and his coach Alberto Salazar were accused by former members of the Oregon Project of manipulating the TUE system for performance gain and faking symptoms in an effort to be prescribed legal thyroid medications. Those medications could help with a runner’s energy levels, allowing an athlete to train with more intensity and volume. Rupp, who won the bronze medal at the 2016 Olympic marathon, and Salazar have strongly denied those accusations."

2)

Travestyny "Nick Diaz doesn’t apply, buddy. That wasn’t USADA. WADA labs can test any sample no matter spg. USADA has to accept undiluted samples. You want to try this question again?"

You said that DCO/USADA has to accept undiluted sample. You didn't say that you were WRONG when you realized that there are other possibilities including when the DCO determines to STOP and send off the samples even though they are NOT undiluted!

Later you realized that the DCO can determine to provide solely diluted samples and later you pretended that you knew all along even though the truth is that your questioning spelled volumes and initial response was that USADA has to accept undiluted samples (not diluted).

Well there are circumstances where there are solely diluted samples and they are sent to the LABs ... So your initial response was NOT correct ... so to me it is WRONG!!!




3) In the same post, you bring up it's not possible for USADA to have been in on it.

Then you do a 180 and say if USADA was in on it then they should have been crazy enough to hide the fact that they were in on it by hiding that Floyd used a BANNED METHOD!!!! Man, that is some good stuff that you are smoking!!! LOL

Actually there were plenty of people who knew about the IV. If any one of them brought it up, it would spell big trouble for not just Floyd and his doctor, ....... also USADA!!!



4) The case above about "coach Alberto Salazar and his athletes".

YOU WERE WRONG AGAIN!!!

They tried to manipulate every which way they can including getting BS TUEs!!!!! LOL ...

"In 2015, Salazar was the subject of a ProPublica and BBC report alleging he pushed the boundaries on doping rules to gain a competitive advantage by encouraging the use of prescription medication and the****utic use exemptions."

"The Gouchers also mentioned how Salazar would push for a TUE for an intravenous drip for Rupp ahead of races. Manipulating the TUE process to get a TUE would be grounds for a ban by the World Anti-Doping Agency"

LOL



5.

Travestyny
He cycles off then cycles on for testing. Proof?

You are ignorant on the subject so maybe I shouldn't say that you are wrong ....

Nah, YOU ARE WRONG in bringing up nonsense!!! LOL



6. You tried to say that when the DCO takes a specific gravity test that nothing can go wrong.

You worded it slightly different each time but when I responded with not 1 but several scenarios, you DEFLECTED by saying something like "Where is the proof?" instead of initially pointing out that I had some valid points!

When I had you digging, you finally came back and said "I already said that" even though you were chasing your tail for many posts both before and after that!!!





7. Another point that made me laugh and that YOU WERE WRONG!!!

Travestyny
"If USADA does enough to be minimally compliant with WADA, THEN THEY ARE COMPLIANT WITH WADA AND WADA IS SATISFIED"

You think that means it's OK and that WADA is satisfied?

WADA - There is some flexibility but ADO's sometimes take advantage of that!


"WADA - Weaknesses Observed"
"“Flexibility” in Code allows for political interference (by stakeholders) that may restrict
effectiveness of provisions that would otherwise be mandatory."


Even WADA realizes this:
"Retroactive TUEs are frequently issued"


WADA - What about delays in urine samples:
"Some prohibited substances may be detected in the urine or blood for only a short period; efficient testing cannot be done on the random basis often adopted"

WADA - Knows that this can occur!!!
"Lack of interest in effectiveness of anti-doping programs – sole concern is showing
minimal Code compliance"


WADA knows about this possibility too!!!
"Inherent conflicts of interest within the organizations that mitigate against vigorous
anti-doping activities"



8. FINAL Days before fight:
You bring up that Floyd must have done a lot more than "a little bit to stay sharp".

a) Floyd's interviews say that YOU ARE WRONG

b) IT DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE to do heavy workouts that would make you require an IV due to extreme dehydration, on the final day before a major fight if you can make weight EASILY.

c) Then why is Floyd's weight at 146 like he usually is close to or right on? SHouldn't he be much lower than that if he is extremely dehydrated?

d) Floyd unlike many others, can even eat 5 course meals as shown on video by Floyd Hype.

Those who are truly drained actually have to starve! Yet you deflect to ******ity instead of realizing that if Floyd ate and drank beforehand, it's a HUGE BS LIE from Floyd!

Floyd can do alternatives and is NOT extremely dehydrated.




9.

Travestyny
"The fact of the matter is that there is a gauntlet put in place to prevent the system from being abused."

That is why I pointed out to you that it can be beat and provided an example above with that coach! Not the first time and not the last time!



10

Travestyny
"If he can microdose through USADA testing over a 2 month period, why does he have to cycle off of anything? "

WOW .... Did you really say this? WOW!!!!

You are ignorant on the subject so maybe I shouldn't say that you are wrong ....

Nah, YOU ARE WRONG in bringing up nonsense!!! LOL


11.

Travestyny
any proof of the dco being bad at taking the specific gravity of a urine sample?

I showed you that you were WRONG .... there are instances where the DCO can get it wrong, for sure (eg. cases where DCO made some blunders)

BUT

even if the DCO follows the rules, something can have him stop urine [/I][/B]sample collection and provide the samples that the DCO collected.

You then went on digging yourself into a hole again by not admitting that I had at least many valid scenarios.


You then came back with this:

Travestyny
"Nick Diaz doesn’t apply, buddy. That wasn’t USADA. WADA labs can test any sample no matter spg. USADA has to accept undiluted samples. You want to try this question again? "

I provided other scenarios too

ADP02
If the DCO does do a specific gravity and it's too dilute, then there is also the possibility that for either that sample or the next, the DCO calls it a day and reports the situation of Floyd's condition as reasons for the delay. Yet, the sample may actually be too dilute!

You then check it up and respond with this AFTER

What the actual...HOLY SPECULATION. That is NOT how it works.

The DCO may end the Sample Collection Session if:
a. None of the Samples collected from the Athlete meet the requirement for Suitable Specific Gravity for Analysis; and
b. The DCO determines that for logistical reasons it is impossible to continue.

The DCO can end the collection if both of the above happen. And if they happened, then how the **** did USADA get a full sample, as was reported? On the contrary, they got a full sample, which means it was not diluted. There is no reason to believe otherwise, unless you subscribe in wild speculation.

There are multiple reasons why the DCO can determine to stop and it can also be a combination of factors.

I gotta go check and see what you posted. Was Floyd's IV situation what one would call "Exception Circumstance" when many athletes experience way worse than him during the weigh-ins?

The way this scandal went, it could have been called on even though that is BS in my books and should be in yours as well ......


A big issue that I have with your responses is that you kept on chasing your tail to point out that I was wrong when in fact, you were just shooting yourself in the foot in the post that you were proud about!

On the contrary, they got a full sample, which means it was not diluted.

What?

So I responded with:

ADP02
USADA
"The DCO will check the specific gravity (concentration) of the sample. Additional samples may be requested if the sample is not within the required range."

In the above quote, the key word is "may be". So it's not mandatory!

and you goofed TWICE in your response here:

Travestyny
No you fool. I’ve already answered this in other posts. Go read up.

Also already told you about that other case. The doctor AVOIDED the TUE process, not made up shlt to get the TUE. You ****ed up, dummy.

Who is the dummy?


Then you continue with this charade (digging yourself into a hole)

travestyny
Can I stop there, or should I pull more out of that document? Do you know what a requirement is?

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Then I let you know that WADA's other point trumps your post on requirement


So at the end of the day, there are scenarios besides the DCO getting it WRONG .... but yes, the DCO could have goofed just like Travestyny was chasing his tail, as you can see!!!



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[ADP02]

you have answered nothing as usual, why would I do a permaban with an out and out liar

You should have learned something from when you claimed I was lying, and I proved I was telling the truth.

You should have learned that you’re an idiot.

Why not just accept the challenge. If I lose and I don’t leave, you can clown me forever like I do to ADP for losing our bet. Step up.

Travestyny had his Mayweather Mafia groupies voting. Some didn't even care what the topic was about and some didn't understand .... but it's all good. That is what Travestyny thinks is a win.



Not sure what's the issue here but I'm willing to be a judge and I heard that Spoon wants to be too. I got a few other interesting names (Pac B...) that want to judge too.



BTW DEFLECTOR, you were WRONG on several points in my post above. Will you admit to that or DEFLECT AGAIN?



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[travestyny]

You proved nothing gimp, you used usada annex A where clearly it was WADA annex A you ***wit

Why the **** would the USADA protocol point to ANNEX A in the contract when the contract didn’t exist when the USADA protocol was made you absolute moron!