Usyk vs Ward.

[Kigali]

usyk would beat ward wide decision, usyk too big and tall. usyk has good combos and speed so ward wouldnt be able to slip the first shot to get inside like he kept slippin underneath kovas jab to get inside where he did most his work.

Usyk ain't beating sh8t.

He's soft as cotton.

Munchu(or whatever that bum's name is) landed an arm punch that hurt Usyk and caused him to shut down and stop punching.

Usyk...Can dish it out...but he can't take it...just like all the rest of them.

[boliodogs]

I think Usyk would win because of his larger size and weight and the advantages in strength,punching power and ability to take a punch that comes with being a much bigger man. 25 pounds is a big weight advantage. If Ward was a natural 200 pound boxer I think he would win but he is a 175 pound boxer so he loses to a good 200 pound boxer.

[DrHouse579]

ok lets heard these p4p talents in 140 and 168 im interested?

crawford vacated and is basically 147 now so thats a no

I already said 140 isn't as good anymore...

You might be right about 140 (now that Crawford and likely Mikey moved up), but what I was trying to say was there are more fighters with p4p level talent in those divisions than at CW.

And at 168? Are you kidding... Gilberto Ramirez, Eubank jr, Groves, Callum Smith, Degale, David Benavidez, the Direll bro's, Braehmer who was a legit champ @175 before moving down for WBSS, and I think Quillen now.

Notice that an important part of being a "deep" division is to have a lot of young champ's or up and comers in their primes in their 20's?

CW has 2-3 names that are at "world level" or potentially "world level" and that's Usyk, Gassiev, Breidis. Everyone else is old, has multiple losses, and tapped out potential-wise.

[UNBIASED BOXING]

I already said 140 isn't as good anymore...



And at 168? Are you kidding... Gilberto Ramirez, Eubank jr, Groves, Callum Smith, Degale, David Benavidez, the Direll bro's, Braehmer who was a legit champ @175 before moving down for WBSS, and I think Quillen now.

Notice that an important part of being a "deep" division is to have a lot of young champ's or up and comers in their primes in their 20's?

CW has 2-3 names that are at "world level" or potentially "world level" and that's Usyk, Gassiev, Breidis. Everyone else is old, has multiple losses, and tapped out potential-wise.

How are you going to talk about losses and try to bring up 168...?

[Larry the boss]

So it is on to the next boogyman?

[DrHouse579]

How are you going to talk about losses and try to bring up 168...?

What? Was that supposed to mean 200 is better than 168 because Usyk, Breidis, and Gassiev are undefeated?

[mlac]

I already said 140 isn't as good anymore...



And at 168? Are you kidding... Gilberto Ramirez, Eubank jr, Groves, Callum Smith, Degale, David Benavidez, the Direll bro's, Braehmer who was a legit champ @175 before moving down for WBSS, and I think Quillen now.

Notice that an important part of being a "deep" division is to have a lot of young champ's or up and comers in their primes in their 20's?

CW has 2-3 names that are at "world level" or potentially "world level" and that's Usyk, Gassiev, Breidis. Everyone else is old, has multiple losses, and tapped out potential-wise.

Groves is comparable to gassiev, dorticos and usyk eh? Degale who went life and death with porky medina is eh?

Eubank who got schooled by ******* saunders is eh?
Callum smith who was getting beaten up by a fringe euro level Swede the other weekend?

and to top it all of you mention quillen LMFAO

the dirrell brothers who refuse to even take fights and when they do they fake injury to get DQ wins? and Braehmer??? you should be a comedian

[DrHouse579]

Groves is comparable to gassiev, dorticos and usyk eh? Degale who went life and death with porky medina is eh?

Eubank who got schooled by ******* saunders is eh?
Callum smith who was getting beaten up by a fringe euro level Swede the other weekend?

and to top it all of you mention quillen LMFAO

the dirrell brothers who refuse to even take fights and when they do they fake injury to get DQ wins? and Braehmer??? you should be a comedian

I concede I got carried way mentioning Quillen, but Braehmer was a legit champ at 175 who admittedly fought Euro-level guys (lol isn't that all the Cruiser's tho?) and only lost to Cleverly because he broke his arm or something.

168 ain't all that... but that's how bad cruiserweight is..

Gassiev went life and death with a 37 year old Lebedev.
Dorticos best win is knocking out a Russian civil servant who looked overmatched af, and has done exactly nothing else. Breidis who started boxing at 24 and just fought his first southpaw...

Did I claim 168 is the best division? Nope. Just better than CW.

And why isn't youth important in determining competitiveness? Eubank Smith Benavidez and Ramirez aren't at their peak yet, but already they have been in with and won or were very competitive with world class fighters.

This isn't even an argument..

[mlac]

168 ain't all that... but that's how bad cruiserweight is..

Gassiev went life and death with a 37 year old Lebedev.
Dorticos best win is knocking out a Russian civil servant who looked overmatched af, and has done exactly nothing else. Breidis who started boxing at 24 and just fought his first southpaw...

Did I claim 168 is the best division? Nope. Just better than CW.

And why isn't youth important in determining competitiveness? Eubank Smith Benavidez and Ramirez aren't at their peak yet, but already they have been in with and won or were very competitive with world class fighters.

This isn't even an argument..

Yeah 'life and death' is going to the champions backyard at 21 years old in a massive step up in competition, beating him up, dropping him heavily and winning easily.

You also claim a 32 year old world champion is still a prospect
Yeah you are an imbecile

[DrHouse579]

Yeah 'life and death' is going to the champions backyard at 21 years old in a massive step up in competition, beating him up, dropping him heavily and winning easily.

You also claim a 32 year old world champion is still a prospect
Yeah you are an imbecile

LOL a 32 year old world champion who just fought his first southpaw... and CW > SMW? Dude just destroyed his own argument..