Usyk vs Ward.

[DrHouse579]

Well I put Usyk up there skill wise on "p4p", the resume bit will come in if/when he wins this tournament at which point there is little argument as this is the only true way to get your p4p guys.

They need to have these tournies in all divisions.

Agreed, I think Usyk has legit p4p talent and it will be hard not to put him top 10 if he wins.

The sad thing is these kind of tourneys only happen when the participants themselves aren't big enough to secure the mega pay days. Hard to imagine a super 6 at welter with Crawford, Garcia, Spence, Thurman, Porter, and others when they could all make 2-4 mil a year fighting lesser opposition..

[Kigali]

Not fair for Andre he was talking out his ass to fight bellew he can't out wrestle usyk he would get hurt.

Usyk ain't hurting anybody...

Dude is soft as cotton.

He got hit with an arm punch from that African bum and damn near folded.

[Kigali]

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Look who's talking.

[DrHouse579]

Briedis won't defeat Usyk with that style, it's difficult to clinch your way to victory against the target who's faster and more dynamic than you, with a better range and punch selection like you too.But Briedis is a versatile fighter and he can use some different approach dealing with Usyk

I think Usyk will beat him, but I just get the sense a lot of people are writing Breidis off just because he was boring against Perez. I've never seen someone try to employ the hug and punch style against Usyk, and I believe it can be somewhat effective against a highly technical boxer who likes to work at range like Usyk. Perez has legit skills and I only said he was a fat HW to say a guy with 1 fight at cruiser was even in this tourney (ie. probably his natural weight but pretty new to it).

[Banderivets]

I like how you mentioned having a 20-0 record fighting cans when that's literally everyone in the WBSS at Cruiser besides Usyk.. Beating on guys who have 20-0 records fighting cans isn't all that impressive, either.

But tell me, I hear you, but how many fighters out there truly have these deep resumes? It looks like boxing is built on fighters who have one or two big names on their resume and still have that 0.

Canelo aside...

Lets take TC, whom I like and is my Top 3 p4p. Who has he beat really? Postol? Who was Postol, guy who got lucky against Lucas?

I'm just on boxrec right now, looking at what the cream of the crop of today is and man who have they fought? They all got like one or two names on their resume.

Who has Spence fought to warrant p4p, who has TC fought? Thurman fought Collazo 3 fights ago! Collazo man!

It's all the same...and Usyk not much different. Got his belt from the legit undefeated champ, defended against a solid fighter in Mchunu who I bet will keep winning, and a prospect in Hunter, and beat on a very experienced veteran in Huck.

Besides its hard to build a resume when people hold onto that 0 like its the end all.

[Kigali]

He will hes not Andre coWARD

This b*tch said Kovalev would kill Ward.

How did that work out for your b*tch ass...amigo?

[mlac]

Yeah, Breidis started boxing at 24, just got a title, and fought the first southpaw of his career. He's a world champion but experience-wise he's a prospect. Errol spence was being called a prospect as recently as the Algieri fight and he had a world of experience over Breidis.

If Ward ever looked that bad against a fighter of Perez's caliber I would not call that amazing. Last fight I recall he fought someone moving down like Perez did, he knocked him out and that was Chad Dawson...

You seem to be confused about what a prospect is, Erroll Spence Was in his mid 20's, you can't be mid 30's and still be called a prospect m8.

As for looking 'bad' your again confusing bad with ugly, Breidis won nearly every round, how can that be 'bad', Perez is still a top quality operator regardless of age, or weight. He was in tremendous condition and many people were picking him to go to the final lol.

Ward's win over that 40 year old midget brand was far more ugly, Ward couldnt even land a 3 punch combination on that bum. Is that because it was a 'bad' performance?

[DrHouse579]

Man, saying that weak empty divisions like 140 or 168 > CW is just....Don't do that, please. Don't kill your credibility

The level of competition at 140 or 168 is below zero. So if 168 is more competitive, why boxing fans follow the CW tournament and nobody cares about the same tournament at 168? Doesn't make sense

You couldn't even make legit and interesting 8 man tournament for 140-168 divisions, I can guarantee that, maybe with the exception of 147, but you'd had to add fighters like Jeff Horn (the boxer nobody cared for just one fight ago), Broner or Lamont Peterson. Or fragile Amir Khan and Kell Brook who can't get past metal detectors in airports nowadays

They could replace any of these CW boxers with names like Lebedev, Vlasov, Tabiti, Makabu, Glowacki, Bellew and it still would be competitive and interesting, that's how deep it is.

You might be right about 140 (now that Crawford and likely Mikey moved up), but what I was trying to say was there are more fighters with p4p level talent in those divisions than at CW.

IMO WBSS at 168 is deeper and more competitive than the CW tourney. Eubank is a potential p4p fighter, and Groves is an established solid dude. Smith looked bad against Skoglund and looked susceptible to movers but he is huge for the division and I can see him winning the whole thing.

You can't say the same about CW. Usyk is the prohibitive favorite, and no one is even close. Gassiev can make a case, but I'm sorry you can't bring up Lebedev and Bellew if you're trying to strengthen your case that this tourney is competitive.

[DrHouse579]

But tell me, I hear you, but how many fighters out there truly have these deep resumes? It looks like boxing is built on fighters who have one or two big names on their resume and still have that 0.

Canelo aside...

Lets take TC, whom I like and is my Top 3 p4p. Who has he beat really? Postol? Who was Postol, guy who got lucky against Lucas?

I'm just on boxrec right now, looking at what the cream of the crop of today is and man who have they fought? They all got like one or two names on their resume.

Who has Spence fought to warrant p4p, who has TC fought? Thurman fought Collazo 3 fights ago! Collazo man!

It's all the same...and Usyk not much different. Got his belt from the legit undefeated champ, defended against a solid fighter in Mchunu who I bet will keep winning, and a prospect in Hunter, and beat on a very experienced veteran in Huck.

Besides its hard to build a resume when people hold onto that 0 like its the end all.

Dude, I agree 100%. I said everyone in tourney EXCEPT USYK! lol

Just IMO, he's not done enough for me to get p4p recognition. In the absence of the big names (ie. Canelo), the way you look in your performances really matter and Errol Spence KO'd guys who hung in there with world class fighters for 12 rounds, and just knocked out Brook (who many thought had an argument for #1 Welterweight). Errol has the much stronger case for top 10 p4p no question

[DrHouse579]

You seem to be confused about what a prospect is, Erroll Spence Was in his mid 20's, you can't be mid 30's and still be called a prospect m8.

As for looking 'bad' your again confusing bad with ugly, Breidis won nearly every round, how can that be 'bad', Perez is still a top quality operator regardless of age, or weight. He was in tremendous condition and many people were picking him to go to the final lol.

Ward's win over that 40 year old midget brand was far more ugly, Ward couldnt even land a 3 punch combination on that bum. Is that because it was a 'bad' performance?

This is an argument about the word prospect, and I see your point. Andrew Tabiti is a prospect, Shakur Stevenson is a prospect, Amir Imam is a prospect. I know what a prospect is, I was mostly just referring to his limited experience and was a bit shocked that this was his first southpaw. I mean how many fighters after 20+ fights and who won a belt haven't ever faced a southpaw?

And, no, I mean Breidis looked BAD. Ward was ugly vs Kovalev, but effective. Breidis just looked like he ran out of ideas at times and had nothing to do but hold. Perez is a slow plodder (always has been) and couldn't do anything to negate it. Breidis should have been able to box circles around him, but he chose to spoil against an inferior opponent. That looks BAD. And anyone picking Perez to win the tourney... LOL

Brand is a hard Veteran. Very hard to knock out a guy who doesn't want to engage and is trying to just survive. Canelo couldn't put away a zombified Chavez because Julio committed to just surviving after round 1.