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  • Boxing Logic
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    #41
    Originally posted by Hmabshir
    Its the only choice Rigo had left. After Salido beat Loma, the dude will never fight someone on an even playing field. he just beat a dude coming off a loss, before that he fought Walters coming off a 1 year lay off. The dude before that was a bum and before that he knocked out a guy who was knocked out by the guy who beat him!

    He avoided Mikey Garcia by not moving up to 135 to fight him, calls himself p4p but wont ever fight Bud who sits at 140. A real p4p champion moves up divisions to take out the best fighters ala Ward. Lomachenko will continue to fight fighters that are at a disadvantage either physically or mentally and his gullible fans will eat that **** up and coronate him as the p4p great.
    Ward moved up for a total of like 5 fights his entire career. Loma is already closing in on that mark in his second division before his 15th career fight. Before that Ward was a 190 to 200 lbs man weight bullying guys at 168 for almost his entire career, according to his own trainer. No wonder his opponents were reportedly always so surprised at "how strong Ward was" in the clinch and on the inside, at 168. What a mystery!

    the dude will never fight someone on an even playing field
    And then you bring up Ward as an example of how a true champion does things... you must be trolling. You must also not know that Lomachenko offered Rigondeaux the fight at 126, Rigondeaux declined. He was offered 500k, more than Lomachenko made to fight Salido, more than Salido made to fight Lomachenko, more than Gary Russell made to fight Lomachenko, and roughly the same as Lomachenko made to fight Russell. But, Rigo declined.

    before that he fought Walters coming off a 1 year lay off.
    You must also not know that Lomachenko offered Walters the fight immediately after Walters fight with Sosa, but Walters declined. That's when Lomachenko offered Walters 300k out of his own purse if Walters won as a way to motivate Walters to take the fight, and eventually at the end of the year, after Lomachenko had built his name up more by winning a title in a second weight class and getting the knockout of his career, Lomachenko was a big enough star to offer Walters even more money, and Walters finally took the fight about 10 months after his last fight, not even a year layoff. If Canelo-GGG happens next May, that will be an 8 month layoff for both fighters. Not such a huge difference.

    After Salido beat Loma, the dude will never fight someone on an even playing field.
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Lomachenko's very next fight after Salido against Gary Russell Jr. on American soil, with an American referee, fighting on Russell's network, PBC and Showtime? What was uneven about that one... lol...

    He avoided Mikey Garcia by not moving up to 135 to fight him, calls himself p4p but wont ever fight Bud who sits at 140.
    Mikey used to fight at 126. Maybe Mikey avoided him by moving up at the speed of light, knowing Lomachenko could only do it at the speed of sound?

    Terence Crawford is a 165 pound man who drains to 140 to weight bully his opponents. Unlike Lomachenko he has never fought an A-level opponent his size. Crawford was at 140 when Lomachenko was at 126, a three division difference. Since then Lomachenko moved up, and Crawford hasn't yet, creating the illusion that they are only two divisions apart in natural size, but Crawford is about to move up again for his next fight, which will make the difference three divisions once again. Still, if both clean out their weight areas, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Bob Arum fed the foreign fighter to the much bigger American fighter in order to try to create a pay-per-view star, and Lomachenko would probably do it since he is possibly the biggest risk-taker in the sport, but first Crawford needs to clean out 147 and Lomachenko needs to clean out 130 and 135, so hold your horses.

    I mean, you are literally accusing Lomachenko of ducking someone three divisions bigger than him who he would probably be willing to fight anyway, so it's hilarious how wrong you are on multiple levels. It's like the Inception movie of being wrong. Incredible.

    As for Mikey Garcia, his brother and Lomachenko's manager have both said they're trying to hype that matchup into a PPV fight. As a fan that's pretty annoying, but at least from Lomachenko's perspective, if the networks aren't willing to put up big money then I guess it's only fair he should get PPV money for being willing to move up in weight to fight maybe the hardest puncher in the sport, pound-for-pound, who is also an elite boxer and a naturally 10-to-15 pound bigger man. Lomachenko is not ducking him at all, it's just certain racists haters (I can't imagine who) accused Lomachenko of ducking Rigondeaux, and Rigo kept calling him out online, so he decided to take care of Rigondeaux before moving up.

    Otherwise, if he had moved up before fighting Rigondeaux, you would have said he did it to duck Rigo. The definition of a hater! Send me guidance from above, because this poster's ******ity got me got me questioning, where is the love??? Where is the love???? Where is the love (the love, the love)????

    For real bro, you're making a fool of yourself. You sound ****ing ridiculous. You even criticized him for "losing" to Salido and then in the next sentence complained about Lomachenko not fighting on "even playing fields," a basic yet hilarious mistake on your part, seeing as Lomachenko-Salido was not an even playing field for Lomachenko at all. So you discredit every Lomachenko win because you say he had advantages, but you somehow give Salido full credit for beating Lomachenko despite the fact he had advantages in that fight. Interesting how that works. And so I repeat, where is the love, bro!!
    Last edited by Boxing Logic; 09-28-2017, 11:03 AM.

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    • Rapid Counter
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      #42
      War Rigo!!!!

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      • chrisJS
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        #43
        Originally posted by Hmabshir
        Its the only choice Rigo had left. After Salido beat Loma, the dude will never fight someone on an even playing field. he just beat a dude coming off a loss, before that he fought Walters coming off a 1 year lay off. The dude before that was a bum and before that he knocked out a guy who was knocked out by the guy who beat him!

        He avoided Mikey Garcia by not moving up to 135 to fight him, calls himself p4p but wont ever fight Bud who sits at 140. A real p4p champion moves up divisions to take out the best fighters ala Ward. Lomachenko will continue to fight fighters that are at a disadvantage either physically or mentally and his gullible fans will eat that **** up and coronate him as the p4p great.
        Tons of inaccuracies here. He fought Russell on an "even playing field" and I'm sure you picked Russell as did many of the race rooters here.

        Avoided Garcia? He just got to 130 and Mikey just fought at 140 after two and a half years off. How is that avoiding?

        He doesn't call himself p4p. He said Crawford is that. Crawford is also moving to 147. They have never been less than 2 divisions apart. How is that avoiding? Was Floyd avoiding Hopkins? Is Ward avoiding Joshua? Is Crawford avoiding GGG?

        You also picked Walters to win that fight as did the race rooters on here.

        Ward moved up and fought Kovalev which is a fighter not fighters. You also thought he was garbage and not as good as Stevenson as did the race rooters and he retired rather than fight him.

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        • chrisJS
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          #44
          Originally posted by kafkod
          Loma fought Salido in only his second pro fight and he still went ahead with it even after Salido cheated on the weight and came in 11lbs heavier on the night!

          And why criticise him for accepting a call out from Rigo?

          Would you shit on Mikey or Crawford if Loma called them out and they accepted his callenge?
          You just crushed him with the bolded bit. Schooled. Any answer other than yes I would (which he 100% wouldn't) is a KO1 in your win column there good sir.

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          • chrisJS
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            #45
            Originally posted by mlac
            This is all true, but what happened to all the 'loma ducking rigo' comments before the fight was signed? because every time i opened a lomachenko/rigo thread there were a ton of them. they seemed to of disappeared?
            They have changed their tune. A month ago Loma didn't have a chance at any weight and he'd duck him anyway.

            Now the win doesn't count and the excuses are already out 3 months prior to the bout.

            Good to know these people are consistent and not really boxing fans but boxer fans/trolls.

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            • chrisJS
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              #46
              Originally posted by Idunnoshet
              Maybe but if u look into it you'll see there was a bit of funny business going on with making that fight too . Walters was interviewed saying Arum purposely shelved him for over a year Then offered him the Loma fight . Walters asked for a tune-up knowing going straight to the Lomachenko fight after a Long layoff wouldn't be good . Arum gave him the ol' " take it or leave it " . So we got the fight we got .
              Walters still a b;tch though.
              Walters was offered the fight and rejected it. He shelved himself.

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              • tokon
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                #47
                Originally posted by aboutfkntime
                it is a big ask alright

                he is definitely the best fighter in the world if he can pull it off

                I like them both, but I gotta ride with Rigo just for having the balls to make this fight

                Loma is a dynamo, I can see Rigo getting outworked, especially if his power doesn't carry
                Yes, definitely.

                Is Hyde trying to disguise a little bit of bitterness here as well?

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                • chrisJS
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                  #48
                  Originally posted by Boxing Logic
                  Ward moved up for a total of like 5 fights his entire career. Loma is already closing in on that mark in his second division before his 15th career fight. Before that Ward was a 190 to 200 lbs man weight bullying guys at 168 for almost his entire career, according to his own trainer. No wonder his opponents were reportedly always so surprised at "how strong Ward was" in the clinch and on the inside, at 168. What a mystery!



                  And then you bring up Ward as an example of how a true champion does things... you must be trolling. You must also not know that Lomachenko offered Rigondeaux the fight at 126, Rigondeaux declined. He was offered 500k, more than Lomachenko made to fight Salido, more than Salido made to fight Lomachenko, more than Gary Russell made to fight Lomachenko, and roughly the same as Lomachenko made to fight Russell. But, Rigo declined.



                  You must also not know that Lomachenko offered Walters the fight immediately after Walters fight with Sosa, but Walters declined. That's when Lomachenko offered Walters 300k out of his own purse if Walters won as a way to motivate Walters to take the fight, and eventually at the end of the year, after Lomachenko had built his name up more by winning a title in a second weight class and getting the knockout of his career, Lomachenko was a big enough star to offer Walters even more money, and Walters finally took the fight about 10 months after his last fight, not even a year layoff. If Canelo-GGG happens next May, that will be an 8 month layoff for both fighters. Not such a huge difference.



                  Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Lomachenko's very next fight after Salido against Gary Russell Jr. on American soil, with an American referee, fighting on Russell's network, PBC and Showtime? What was uneven about that one... lol...



                  Mikey used to fight at 126. Maybe Mikey avoided him by moving up at the speed of light, knowing Lomachenko could only do it at the speed of sound?

                  Terence Crawford is a 165 pound man who drains to 140 to weight bully his opponents. Unlike Lomachenko he has never fought an A-level opponent his size. Crawford was at 140 when Lomachenko was at 126, a three division difference. Since then Lomachenko moved up, and Crawford hasn't yet, creating the illusion that they are only two divisions apart in natural size, but Crawford is about to move up again for his next fight, which will make the difference three divisions once again. Still, if both clean out their weight areas, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Bob Arum fed the foreign fighter to the much bigger American fighter in order to try to create a pay-per-view star, and Lomachenko would probably do it since he is possibly the biggest risk-taker in the sport, but first Crawford needs to clean out 147 and Lomachenko needs to clean out 130 and 135, so hold your horses.

                  I mean, you are literally accusing Lomachenko of ducking someone three divisions bigger than him who he would probably be willing to fight anyway, so it's hilarious how wrong you are on multiple levels. It's like the Inception movie of being wrong. Incredible.

                  As for Mikey Garcia, his brother and Lomachenko's manager have both said they're trying to hype that matchup into a PPV fight. As a fan that's pretty annoying, but at least from Lomachenko's perspective, if the networks aren't willing to put up big money then I guess it's only fair he should get PPV money for being willing to move up in weight to fight maybe the hardest puncher in the sport, pound-for-pound, who is also an elite boxer and a naturally 10-to-15 pound bigger man. Lomachenko is not ducking him at all, it's just certain racists haters (I can't imagine who) accused Lomachenko of ducking Rigondeaux, and Rigo kept calling him out online, so he decided to take care of Rigondeaux before moving up.

                  Otherwise, if he had moved up before fighting Rigondeaux, you would have said he did it to duck Rigo. The definition of a hater! Send me guidance from above, because this poster's ******ity got me got me questioning, where is the love??? Where is the love???? Where is the love (the love, the love)????

                  For real bro, you're making a fool of yourself. You sound ****ing ridiculous. You even criticized him for "losing" to Salido and then in the next sentence complained about Lomachenko not fighting on "even playing fields," a basic yet hilarious mistake on your part, seeing as Lomachenko-Salido was not an even playing field for Lomachenko at all. So you discredit every Lomachenko win because you say he had advantages, but you somehow give Salido full credit for beating Lomachenko despite the fact he had advantages in that fight. Interesting how that works. And so I repeat, where is the love, bro!!
                  A beatdown and well written and fact based, but perhaps wasted on a casual who also defines a fighter and his actions by their skin tone.

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                  • aztec_warriors
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                    #49
                    Get what you ask for

                    Rigo and Team been barking that Loma was ducking them ... now they get what they asked for

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by Steven Mccowan
                      Rigo getting beat and humiliated
                      Lol you clearly don't know shtt about boxing , neither fighter is winning easy

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