Who is greater, Andre Ward or Timothy Bradley?

[JK1700]

You can argue their resumes but if you take away that super-controversial win over Pacquiao it's hard to argue Bradley. Even if you thought he beat Marquez (I didn't think that). I will agree that he over-achieved in his career though.

Ward has Kessler, Abraham, Froch, Dawson, Rodriguez, Barrera, Kovalev twice. Plus he dominated all these guys. Cleaned out a whole division then moved up and beat the unified champ. Bradley had good wins, but they're debatable.

You could argue it but when you factor in skills Ward's the clear winner IMO.

[Metho_4u]

Always liked Tim, but he was foolish in the ring with Provo, and that led to a real slide. Tim has some very good wins, excellent win over Marquez (idk whytf anyone would think that fight was close) and very good wins over solid guys.

Only issue is at the top level he lost to Manny, and Ward WAS the top level fighter in both divisions he fought in, thus I have to give it to Ward. Also undefeated vs very good fighters.

[Thraxox]

You can argue their resumes but if you take away that super-controversial win over Pacquiao it's hard to argue Bradley. Even if you thought he beat Marquez (I didn't think that). I will agree that he over-achieved in his career though.

Ward has Kessler, Abraham, Froch, Dawson, Rodriguez, Barrera, Kovalev twice. Plus he dominated all these guys. Cleaned out a whole division then moved up and beat the unified champ. Bradley had good wins, but they're debatable.

You could argue it but when you factor in skills Ward's the clear winner IMO.

But if you take away both super controversial win of Kovalev and the nutshot tko you'll only leave with Carl Froch, Abraham, bika kessler
And Dawson.

Bradley cleaned out his division also. And by the time Amir Khan and DSG arrived he already is prepared to move out to welterweight

[Thraxox]

Always liked Tim, but he was foolish in the ring with Provo, and that led to a real slide. Tim has some very good wins, excellent win over Marquez (idk whytf anyone would think that fight was close) and very good wins over solid guys.

Only issue is at the top level he lost to Manny, and Ward WAS the top level fighter in both divisions he fought in, thus I have to give it to Ward. Also undefeated vs very good fighters.

Yeah Tim was a top dog in his at time at 140 but just not really THE top dog.

[The Big Dunn]

Guys, please stop with this kind of ridiculous stuff. Ward is greater than Tim without question.

[JK1700]

Man you can say that to Ward about Kovalev. The only person Bradley ever lost to was an ATG in Pacquiao and the rest where either dominated or just couldn't do anything. So don't tell me Bradley isn't elite when his career and resume say otherwise.

And no, Bradley didn't have "several" controversial fights, Majority scored the Marquez vS Provodnikov fight to Bradley, more than 50% more. His only contreversial decision is Pacquiao I

Yeah you could argue he lost the first fight, but Ward stopped him in the rematch which kills that debate. Bradley lost to Pacquiao 3 times and i'm not even a Pacquiao fan so it's kinda hard to give him credit for that "win". Tim was a good fighter for sure, but you could easily make the argument he should've lost the Marquez fight. It was close, but I thought JMM landed the harder punches and should've got the nod. Plus this was a 40 year old JMM we're talking about. That was the definition of a gift decision. You could argue he won, but it's debatable.

I thought he won the Provodnikov fight too, but let's not act like it couldn't have gone the other way. Look he fought several good guys but had just as many fights where he struggled as he did where he was dominant. One of the marks of a great fighter is being able to dominate other top fighters which Ward did. Bradley didn't.

That's my reasoning for putting him ahead of him. Just way more skilled.

[Thraxox]

Yeah you could argue he lost the first fight, but Ward stopped him in the rematch which kills that debate. Bradley lost to Pacquiao 3 times and i'm not even a Pacquiao fan so it's kinda hard to give him credit for that "win". Tim was a good fighter for sure, but you could easily make the argument he should've lost the Marquez fight. It was close, but I thought JMM landed the harder punches and should've got the nod. Plus this was a 40 year old JMM we're talking about. That was the definition of a gift decision.

I thought he won the Provodnikov fight too, but let's not act like it couldn't have gone the other way. Look he fought several good guys but had just as many fights where he struggled as he did where he was dominant. One of the marks of a great fighter is being able to dominate other top fighters which Ward did. Bradley didn't. You could argue he won, but it's debatable.

That's my reasoning for putting him ahead of him. Just way more skilled.

That 40 year old came from a one punch KO. And the rematch does not affect the outcome of the first. And same MarqueZ then dominated a top 140 fighter after his loss to Timmy.

And I'm not arguing because you had ward over time just arguing that saying Tim is not ELITE. You having Ward over is perfectly reasonabl

[JK1700]

But if you take away both super controversial win of Kovalev and the nutshot tko you'll only leave with Carl Froch, Abraham, bika kessler
And Dawson.

Bradley cleaned out his division also. And by the time Amir Khan and DSG arrived he already is prepared to move out to welterweight

The 2nd Kovalev fight wasn't controversial to me. Kovalev wanted out and was clearly on his way to getting stopped. Just because Ward hit him low once doesn't mean he was going to win if that didn't happen. Bradley didn't clean out 140, he should've fought Khan and Maidana. Instead he fought old-ass Casamayor instead. He was a very good fighter but Ward was great. I never watched Bradley and thought "Wow this guy is really special". Ward was the 2nd most skilled fighter of his era. Dominated top guys easily. Bradley struggled vs top guys, that's the difference.

Guys, please stop with this kind of ridiculous stuff. Ward is greater than Tim without question.

Exactly. I can't believe this is a serious debate.

If you watched them you know Ward's miles better.

[ramses07]

Come on boxing scene

Is this a serious question?

[JK1700]

That 40 year old came from a one punch KO. And the rematch does not affect the outcome of the first. And same MarqueZ then dominated a top 140 fighter after his loss to Timmy.

And I'm not arguing because you had ward over time just arguing that saying Tim is not ELITE. You having Ward over is perfectly reasonabl

The Pacquiao win was the best win of JMM's career of course, but that doesn't mean he was at his best at that point. I feel like 2008/2009 Marquez would've beat Tim convincingly. He was more powerful in 2012 but also slower. If he had won that fight clearly it's more a debate but he didn't. I give him credit for fighting these guys and getting ATG's on his resume, but only so much because a lot of people thought he lost. Especially the first Pacquiao fight who had him winning?

Of course you could still argue Ward lost the first Kovalev fight but then he won the rematch so it's not like Bradley/Pac where you could argue he should've been 0-3 against the guy. Bradley being elite, well, there's different types of elite. If we're talking being one of the best at 140 and 147 yes he was one of the best but one of the Top 5 guys in the sport, I can't say I would've ever put him in the Top 5. Maybe Top 10. Meanwhile Ward was #2 for several years then #1.